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Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:05 pm to Kentucker
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This was not a random stop and identify situation. The cop had a suspicion based on what he observed. He did his duty. Some of you are up in the air because it involved an AA kid and that’s why it’s getting play. One’s ethnicity matters not a damn. If a cop tells you to do something (legal, for those who are hysterical) you damn well better comply.
Again, there should be a threat (or active resistance to imminent arrest), and I don't see that here.
I'm pretty pro police, but I don't think I want a society where we've conceded so much authority to law enforcement that the inkling of suspicion by a cop allows them to skip over a bunch of rational reactions to take an irrational one just because the citizen they're serving turns out to be a dick.
It's tricky for cops and I get that. He was right to check out the situation. But when he does so and there is no obvious threat of harm to himself/others, the issue switches to a mere disregard of authority. And that, IMO, cannot be the basis for use of significant force with a reasonable degree of serious harm to the teen. Particularly when the only genuine threat to the cop was that he was about to waste some time seeing if the girlfriend appeared or not.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:07 pm to OweO
Just another bad apple
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:07 pm to shel311
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How the frick did you get that from what I said?
Here's EXACTLY what you stated --
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quote: If that's the route he always takes to go in the house, why would he not do that if the cop was not telling him to stop?
Are you saying that doesn't imply that so long as it's "the route he always takes to go in the house," that a cop should somehow know that AND shouldn't look at that as suspicious behavior?
Even a f*cking third grader would know that if he sees a cop, and upon seeing the cop goes into someone's backyard, ANY PERSON (cop or otherwise) would be suspicious of that behavior. And, when confronted by the cop would understand the cop is DOING HIS F*CKING JOB and would simply cooperate.
Once again, this kid wasn't just standing on a street corner when some cop just rolled upon him and tazed him for no reason. He was engaged in HIGHLY F*CKING SUSPICIOUS BEHAVIOR -- whether that's the way he "normally" enters this girl's backyard or not.
And, I wonder what her dad thinks of this kid going into his backyard through the bushes to get into his home. The 6'5" 260 lb. (former college lineman) father of my high school girlfriend would have kicked my f*cking A$$ if I had done anything like that.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:08 pm to crewdepoo
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Just another bad apple
did you know that one bad apple does spoil the whole bunch, girl?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:08 pm to MMauler
Ya'll bootlickers are really stretching it here.
Almost all of my friends and family we enter through the back door. If you ain't backdoor friends are you really friends?
Of course the Cop used things like Darted and hid in bushes, cops are taught to write reports in their favor, police reports are comical and poor reflections of what actually happened.
The cop had no reason to assault that kid, he wasn't doing anything. The cop was just pissed the kid wasn't listening and went to the extreme of using potentially deadly force.
There were a million ways this cop could have handled the situation without using potentially deadly force. Government should be held to a higher standard and should not be able to escalate to a higher level of force.
My charge would be attempted murder for the cop, maybe it would make the next one think better before taking action that could injure or end some kids life.
Almost all of my friends and family we enter through the back door. If you ain't backdoor friends are you really friends?
Of course the Cop used things like Darted and hid in bushes, cops are taught to write reports in their favor, police reports are comical and poor reflections of what actually happened.
The cop had no reason to assault that kid, he wasn't doing anything. The cop was just pissed the kid wasn't listening and went to the extreme of using potentially deadly force.
There were a million ways this cop could have handled the situation without using potentially deadly force. Government should be held to a higher standard and should not be able to escalate to a higher level of force.
My charge would be attempted murder for the cop, maybe it would make the next one think better before taking action that could injure or end some kids life.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:08 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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No, the cop was being a paranoid a-hole cop just like you're being a paranoid a-hole poster.
I'm sorry, but no one could possibly be THIS F*CKING STUPID.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:08 pm to Kentucker
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It is the responsibility of the cop to neutralize a potential threat. How he does it is his prerogative based upon his observations.
What the frick
It's the responsibility of the cop to investigate a potential threat and enforce the law in a lawful manner.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:09 pm to Pettifogger
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It's tricky for cops and I get that. He was right to check out the situation. But when he does so and there is no obvious threat of harm to himself/others, the issue switches to a mere disregard of authority. And that, IMO, cannot be the basis for use of significant force with a reasonable degree of serious harm to the teen. Particularly when the only genuine threat to the cop was that he was about to waste some time seeing if the girlfriend appeared or not.
I'm sorry but that level of sound logic and common sense will not be tolerated!!!
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:09 pm to CocomoLSU
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The officer could have approached the kid better, and the kid could have responded better.
When that’s the case, the cop has priority. The suspect cannot be allowed to be in command of the encounter. That’s just logic.
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All that aside, why in the world would this kid need to spend 21 days in custody (per the video)?
More to the story? As is usually the situation.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:09 pm to MMauler
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MMauler
I love how much you are cussing, but yet also censoring your curse words.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:09 pm to 777Tiger
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Jack is still in jail where he’ll remain for 21 days.
didn't get that part, based on what's in the video, he didn't physically resist, just didn't put his hands behind his back, what's the charge? and how could there be no bail for something this innocuous?
The fact that he's still in jail, the resisting arrest and traffic charges stuck, and the State added loitering charges after the fact (after his GF's statements in the report too) leads me to believe there is a lot more to this story than what's being reported here.
DAs don't let charges like that and no bail ride to cover for the cops, and I've never heard of them ADDING more charges to help cover for police - especially if the GF's statement "exhonerating" the perp is right there in the police report. There's more to the story here.
On the surface, the cop acted way too jumpy and overzealous by tazing the guy. You could argue that he was just doing his job up to that point by investigating something suspicious, but he should've been a little more patient.
The suspect did himself no favors by saying "frick you" and "I didn't do nothing" while texting and ignoring the officer, but officer should've given the guy a chance to prove his GF lived there and he was invited. The officer had been on the force for 20 years so he's obviously a decent cop and experienced enough to not be too jumpy, just a weird situation and both parties were all sorts of wrong.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:10 pm to MMauler
You know we can say frick here right?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:11 pm to Kentucker
quote:Your comments went way beyond this situation to anyone, anytime, anywhere…including entering a residence to obtain ID.
This was not a random stop and identify situation.
quote:I haven’t said a word about ethnicity.
Some of you are up in the air because it involved an AA kid and that’s why it’s getting play. One’s ethnicity matters not a damn.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:12 pm to CocomoLSU
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I love how much you are cussing, but yet also censoring your curse words.
It's my schtick.
I mainly do it because one time when I did it long ago, I had about five or six people tell me that I didn't need to do it.
So, now I just do it to f*ck with people.
And, fortunately or unfortunately, it's pretty much my normal speech pattern. I picked it while working for a major banking firm. Everyone spoke this way, especially the women.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:12 pm to Pettifogger
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It's the responsibility of the cop to investigate a potential threat and enforce the law in a lawful manner.
Which he did. He approached the kid in a lawful manner, instructed him what to do and then reacted when the kid said, “frick you.” That was a clear rejection of the cop’s lawful authority by the kid.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:13 pm to OweO
that attorney showed poor judgement with that hair.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:13 pm to MMauler
You should find a new schtick, this one isn’t very fun
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:13 pm to RazorBroncs
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, the resisting arrest and traffic charges stuck,
are these subject to remand? aren't they misdemeanors? hell, even murder charges are subject to bail
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the State added loitering charges after the fact (
seems bogus if the gf came out and said it was her bf
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:14 pm to CocomoLSU
quote:What is this nuance thing you're trying here?
If the officer's story is true, I get why he'd think this was a "suspicious person." If the kid's version is true, then the officer overreated. The officer could have approached the kid better, and the kid could have responded better.
Since we don't know exactly what happened and the truth lies somewhere in the middle, I'll say they are both to blame (more the officer than the kid IMO).
Pick a side!!!!
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