re: Southern Baptists vote to ban churches with women pastors

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They were constantly saying "But what about Ruth? What about Esther? What about Mary?" etc.
None of the Biblical women they used as an example acted in a pastoral position. Their comments in support of female pastors just proved that they aren't suitable.

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Theyre unable to admit they're ever wrong and resort to shaming tactics like this. Quit taking their opinions about things seriously a long ago and has helped me immensely. Just nod and say "ok" and "sure" and go about your way.

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What about Paul’s comments on Phoebe, Priscilla, and Julia?

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Much debate about that.

Personally, I think women back then were permitted to teach and lead other women, but not exercise ministerial authority in a mixed congregation or lead men.

They were allowed to become deacons specifically because baptisms were performed in the nude back then, so the church needed women to baptize other women to maintain modesty.

My reasoning has to do with what Paul appealed to. He specifically appealed to Eve having been deceived by Satan ("And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner,") yet from the totality of his writings it's also clear that Paul held Adam ultimately responsible for it.

He didn't appeal to the current cultural circumstances or specific problems in the church at the time. He appealed to the first man & woman, which causes me to lean towards believing that he was commenting on male and female nature in general and the authoritative relationship and hierarchy that had been intended for them from the beginning.

It also fits with my life experience and observations. In general, by my observation, women are capable of using logic and reason (just as well as men), but they aren't swayed by it. It's not what primarily motivates them.

They are very swayed by emotion. THAT'S what primarily motivates them.

That's great trait to have when your job is to nurture and raise children and create a safe and comfortable home environment and facilitate community. Not so great when your job is to make hard decisions that some (many) people won't like. Not that women can't do that...they can. But it's not what they are well suited for, and it burns them out a lot faster than men IME.

Finally, we're witnessing the impact of the feminization of the church in real time. At least in the protestant church. Feminine empathy is why churches are so widely accepting things that the Bible clearly disallows.

Bout time

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How anyone could profess to be a Christian but then follow the Methodist church is beyond me.

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The Methodists ran off the rails in 1968 when they merged with the Evangelical United Brethren and became the United Methodist Church. That caused them to take everything down to the lowest common denominator. Then they did as much to spread Communism in Central America as the Kalashnikov rifle.

Don't get me started. I was reared as a Methodist and one of the smartest things I ever did is ditch that church and convert to Catholicism. I guess I should be grateful that their wack job nuttiness caused me to open my eyes.

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Are they still stoning adulterous women?

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Per the New Testament? No. Well.. not Christians anyway.

Still a thing in Islam. LINK

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Feminine empathy is why churches are so widely accepting things that the Bible clearly disallows.

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Feminine empathy is the impetus behind a lot of our societal problems from liberals these days suffice to say.

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1 Corinthians 14:34-35, where he says: “The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.”

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I’m sure I’ll be labeled as a lefty heretic but the above passage is the one for me that makes me roll my eyes at the SBC about all of this. I’m not necessarily advocating for women pastors but how many of these churches have females that are on the worship and praise team, serve as greeters or other volunteers, lead small groups, speak at women’s night type events, work in the offices, etc? Silence means silence right? Why should women have any role in the church whatsoever outside of attending and submitting to her husband? Perhaps they shouldn’t but then again, I don’t see the SBC running off churches that employ women and most certainly allow them to speak or sing in the church. Do they enforce women wearing head coverings as well as Paul mandates in 1 Corinthians 11 I think?

Nice to see a mainstream Christian church decide to follow scripture.

I'm not SBC... but Albert Mohler has a wonderful daily podcast that talks through the news of the day through a Christian lens. I've really enjoyed it over the years. Only about 30m podcast per day.

SBC is right here, glad they stuck to their guns.

Also, for the record, they do hold men to divorce standards. My uncle was a deacon for many years at his SBC church... somehow they found out he had two prior marriages in his early twenties and promptly removed him from his role as deacon.

My aunt and uncle had a hissy fit and quit their church of 30yrs over it- left and found a church that would allow him a shepherding/leadership role.