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re: Southern Baptists vote to ban churches with women pastors
Posted on 6/12/26 at 9:55 am to bluedragon
Posted on 6/12/26 at 9:55 am to bluedragon
quote:Do you happen to have any links? Because ran your claim through Gemini and ChatGPT and they both spit back that it is an unverifiable and unsubstantiated claim made often by critiques of the organization.
Was in the news ages ago
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Posted on 6/12/26 at 10:12 am to arktiger28
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Women can do a great many things in the church.
That's the thing though, no they can't. Not if Paul is to be taken literally in 1 Corinthians 14:34
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34 Women[a] should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
Women are to be silent. No speaking. Not to other women audiences, not in kids ministry, silent. If we are taking Paul's letter to the church in Corinth as a literal prescriptive measure, women are NOT to have any role in the church other than attending and sitting quietly. I'm sure this will get downvotes but someone is going to have to explain to me why they aren't following this mandate from Paul.
This post was edited on 6/12/26 at 10:14 am
Posted on 6/12/26 at 10:18 am to SallysHuman
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My aunt and uncle had a hissy fit and quit their church of 30yrs over it- left and found a church that would allow him a shepherding/leadership role.
Peak Protestant.
Posted on 6/12/26 at 10:18 am to SallysHuman
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Spreading the Gospel =/= Leading and teaching men.
What about all these churches that allow females to lead worship and praise? Is she not leading the men of the church in worship to the Lord? Again, I'm not advocating neccesarily for women pastors because we have seen plenty of crazy leftist ones, but why are we so hellbent on certain aspects of female leadership in the church but not others?
Posted on 6/12/26 at 10:23 am to JiminyCricket
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What about all these churches that allow females to lead worship and praise? Is she not leading the men of the church in worship to the Lord?
You mean like readers and the piano lady?
Posted on 6/12/26 at 10:30 am to dallastiger55
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a book that was word of mouth for 200 years
the pauline epistles?
Posted on 6/12/26 at 10:37 am to SallysHuman
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You mean like readers and the piano lady?
Prestonwood Baptist Church
No, I mean like the ladies clearly "leading" worship to a congregation of 60,000 at Prestonwood Baptist Church in Plano, Texas; one of the SBC's largest churches. At the 14:30-15:00 mark, not only is she leading worship but she also makes some declarations to the congregation as well. She's far from being silent in that church service.
Posted on 6/12/26 at 10:40 am to JiminyCricket
She opened the service with music. Man took over after music.
Also- that's one of them Six Flags Over Jesus churches.
Also- that's one of them Six Flags Over Jesus churches.
Posted on 6/12/26 at 10:40 am to AwesomeSauce
They were from the Convention Hotels. I’ll try to look them up. At the time of reporting it was proven to be true.
Posted on 6/12/26 at 10:42 am to SallysHuman
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She opened the service with music.
Right so she wasn't silent, that's the point.
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Also- that's one of them Six Flags Over Jesus churches.
And the SBC has no issue with them is my point.
Posted on 6/12/26 at 10:48 am to JiminyCricket
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Right so she wasn't silent, that's the point.
You would do well to read the entirety of First Corinthians Chapter 14.
Taking things out of context isn't helpful.
Here's a nugget for you, from the very same chapter
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26 What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up.
Posted on 6/12/26 at 11:04 am to JiminyCricket
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Not if Paul is to be taken literally in 1 Corinthians 14:34
If you are taking him literally, you have to take Paul's letters with context, location, audience, time, etc.
Posted on 6/12/26 at 11:21 am to bluedragon
Baptist Press and Baptist news reported this. In 2020 Baptist press reported that Baptist Females were taking a larger percentage of the in room orders.
All though most hotel chains report that all conventions show an increase in porn movies order regardless of context. Hotels trying to politically correct.
By the way “I’m Southern Baptist and have not been to any conventions.”
All though most hotel chains report that all conventions show an increase in porn movies order regardless of context. Hotels trying to politically correct.
By the way “I’m Southern Baptist and have not been to any conventions.”
Posted on 6/12/26 at 11:25 am to JiminyCricket
"Did you know that these Baptists also tell their kids to be quiet in church, but then they let the kids participate in congregational singing?
Can you believe these folks?"
- JiminyCricket
Can you believe these folks?"
- JiminyCricket
Posted on 6/12/26 at 12:15 pm to JiminyCricket
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Women are to be silent. No speaking. Not to other women audiences, not in kids ministry, silent. If we are taking Paul's letter to the church in Corinth as a literal prescriptive measure, women are NOT to have any role in the church other than attending and sitting quietly. I'm sure this will get downvotes but someone is going to have to explain to me why they aren't following this mandate from Paul.
Bc some people take the bible literally when it suits them only.
Posted on 6/12/26 at 12:18 pm to SallysHuman
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You would do well to read the entirety of First Corinthians Chapter 14.
Taking things out of context isn't helpful.
Here's a nugget for you, from the very same chapter
I like you Sally so i'm not trying to fight with you. For clarity, I'm not trying to make the point that women shouldn't be allowed to sing in church. I'm not making the point that they shouldn't be allowed to lead in kid's ministry or anything like that. The point I'm making is that people on the SBC side have lambasted me whenever I've asked about the contextual review of what Paul said in 1 Timothy 2:12. They hammer me saying that God's word is clear and any attempt to "interpret" it away is simply a heretical attempt to justify modern preferences but then turn around and tell me to consider context when reading 1 Corinthians 14:34.
Again, I think people are mistaking my intention here. I'm simply asking why people don't want to consider any contextual thought around 1 Timothy 2:12 but will then tell me to consider context in Paul's letter to Corinth.
Posted on 6/12/26 at 12:20 pm to Cdawg
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If you are taking him literally, you have to take Paul's letters with context, location, audience, time, etc.
I agree. That's my point though. I get yelled at and called a heretic when I bring that point up to SBC people regarding 1 Timothy 2:12. I'm not attacking you for clarity by the way, I'm just pointing out the inconsistency of when to take context into account and when not to relative to this topic.
Posted on 6/12/26 at 12:22 pm to SonicAndBareKnuckles
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"Did you know that these Baptists also tell their kids to be quiet in church, but then they let the kids participate in congregational singing?
Can you believe these folks?"
- JiminyCricket
If the bible said that children are to be silent in church and they allowed their children to not be silent, that would be a violation of what the bible says, yes. It doesn't explicitly say that but yes, it would be hypocritical of the hypothetical folks to not make their kids be silent if they were strictly literal bible interpreters.
Posted on 6/12/26 at 12:23 pm to JiminyCricket
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I like you Sally so i'm not trying to fight with you.
Same
Let me go do some reading, I'll be back- I'll reply to you again so you get a notification.
Posted on 6/12/26 at 12:24 pm to Rick9Plus
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Bc some people take the bible literally when it suits them only.
This is the point I was trying to make that I think people missed essentially so I'm glad you got it.
Simply put, why is it okay to consider context to explain why we don't literally fulfill what 1 Corinthians 14 says but it's not okay to consider context for 1 Timothy 2?
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