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I'm not going to say X person is a narcissist when they're not my client and I'm only seeing a Twitter/X clip of their podcast.


Sure, it would be irresponsible to label someone from a two minute clip but that wasn't my argument. My point was that we clearly have a cultural issue amongst women, which you and I have common ground on. I'll take you at your word that you do your part in speaking out, which is a good thing. Going all the way back to the original guy's point though, we need more people that are willing to tell women the truth because the modern western woman is getting exponentially more of the call her daddy type messaging than they are getting reality check messaging. I'll use Dave Chappelle as a reference here when he said in a bit that he had no right to assume a woman was a whore just because of the way she dressed, but she must acknowledge that she was wearing a whore's uniform and some confusion may occur.


Of course, we cannot claim someone is a narcissist from a brief encounter, but is it all that unfair to claim that modern western female culture sure seems to have them acting like they are? Or perhaps would it be more fair to say that modern western female culture encourages behaviors that make women appear to be narcissistic?
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It was sarcasm


Gotcha. Idk you that well and it's hard to tell with some folks around here. :lol:
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Maybe stop trying to fix her problems and listen



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I don't believe it's exclusive to women though. I think it's a sad state of reliance on social media and influencers for mental health guidance. I've also seen some pretty shite advice for men in regards to mental health from some of the grifters in the "manosphere".


I don't believe I made the claim that it is exclusive to females.If we just go back to the original assertion the other guy made that it would help if qualified therapist women spoke out more against a culture that exhibits some traits that could be perceived as narcissitic in nature would be beneficial? Do we have agreement there?
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I mean, you're not going to be able to say by someone's singular podcast that they meet the criteria and that if causes a clinical level of dysfunction.


Of course not, but would you agree that a particular part of mass media that is consumed at the highest rate in the world by a certain demographic that is based largely in giving advice that is of the nature that was in the clip, that certainly could be relevant when discussing the cultural approach to relationships and reality of mindset of the modern western woman?


Would you agree that the current narratives being pushed in significant manners such as the ones in the clip are having, at least some degree of impact, on the approach women are taking to this case?
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well that is because you are a dumbass too. pretty much the only explanation....sorry


Okay.
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therapy is a fricking scam


Ehhh, idk that I'd go that far.
For reference, let's begin here




Now let's see how many of these we hit on a 2 minute video from the #1 female podcast on planet earth. Remember, we only need 5 of the 9.


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Whoa, dude...she has a therapy degree, and because of that she can easily diagnose all of us by simply reading our message board posts

Have some respect. If she called you gay, then maybe you are gay and just don't know it yet.

Take advice from a licensed therapist and go have some gay sex.


I'm not even tyring to be a jerk with her but her diagnostic list for narcissism looks a whole lot like the modern western woman these days. :lol:


Like I said, call her daddy is the number 1 female podcast on the planet and it tells women FREQUENTLY that they need to be having tons of sex with tons of people, live for themselves, screw over the Frickboys, get their money up and THEN, finding a high value man that is wealthy, fit and also okay with you having slept with 40 guys to take care of you. And if that high value man comes along and doesn't want to be with someone with a massive body count, THEY'RE the problem and, of course, their dick is small anyway.


How delusional can they be?
TBH, your list sounds a lot like the modern tik tok influencer. Like, every single one of the things on that list can be observed.


1) Call her daddy is the #1 global female focused podcast and it frequently focuses on finding high value men and hardly never focuses on what the females bring to the table. How much more self important can you be than to believe someone else must bring elite traits to simply have the luxury of being with you, even if you bring nothing but yourself to the table in return?

2) How many women have found themselves preoccupied with the sex and the city, corner office, corporate climber lifestyle? Terms like boss bitch, girl boss, high value woman have become pervasive. Is that not a preoccupation?

3) See point 1. How many overweight women who don't work, cook, clean, or really do much of anything are supported and told they are queens and beautiful the way they are and he's the problem if he doesn't see it? Seems like an unrealistic view of being special to me.

4) Are we going to pretend that thirst traps and posts for attention that require multiple steps, including a tripod, aren't a glaring attention seeking behavior and a quest for admiration?


5) See points 1 & 3. Why are you entitled to a high value man, (6 feet, 6 figures, 6 inches) when you bring nothing of value in return? Why should men protect you at their own perile? Why should you get a seat if the bus is full? Why should I get up to let you sit? Why do you get the lifeboat and I have to drown? Why do I have to sign up for the draft and you don't? All seems pretty entitled.


6) Exploiting others like accusing men of sexual crimes as a means of extortion or using marriage laws to manipulate men in divorce proceedings to finance your lifestlye even if you blew up the marriage?

7) See above points 1,3 & 6

8) We going to pretend women aren't catty and messy with each other?

9) Honestly, the whole list covers this one.




All in all, there's a reason why so many women, some estimates are close to half, are projected to be single in their prime marriage years in the coming decade. The modern woman not only exhibits most of these traits, but they actually celebrate and push them culturally.
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Oh it's absolutely a cultural issue. Laypeople using therapy speak in general is an issue as a whole (and Stout's post is a good passive example of that).

Women tend to rely more on the social media aspect like TikTok. The therapy speak part isn't exclusive to women though. I've worked with my fair share of couples where a man will call his female partner "Bipolar" or "Borderline" when they're not. Sometimes they're just assholes with poor emotion regulation.


Okay, and outside of yourself, do you see colleagues speaking out against these laymen as you say and their misrepresentations that further distort the realities of actual issues? It seem like a prevalent issue that, in this case women, are being fed a steady dose of affirmation when they may be better served hearing reality. I think that's the point that original guy was making.
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Honestly, they're not.

People, especially on social media, throw around the term narcissist a lot when talking about people that they don't like or feel like have wronged them. The clinical definition is a lot more complex than that.

Just like if someone likes to clean a lot it doesn't mean they meet the clinical threshold of OCD. But people will say, "I have a little OCD". Same thing.



If the clinical definition is
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Clinically, narcissism is defined as a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, an excessive need for admiration, and a profound lack of empathy


These people would have traits such as an unrealistic view of self and inflated self importance, an unhealthy need to be told that they're wonderful and they don't tend to care about the feelings and point of view of others.


Can you explain to me how a self absorbed a-hole doesn't pretty much cover that or are you disputing the definition?
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I mean, I use sound clinical judgement and don't diagnose for shits and giggle or because someone came in with a TikTok reel that said they had X condition.

I've actually lost potential clients over that. So I think I'm probably doing a decent job at that.


Would you agree that culturally it has become an issue though? This messaging that features a lack of accountability in many cases specific to women?
I mean.......



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Clinically, narcissism is defined as a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, an excessive need for admiration, and a profound lack of empathy



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self-absorbed assholes.



The two terms seem pretty close tbh.
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If Belle were half the therapist she claims to be, she would admit that those people suffer from narcissism more so than they do PPD and that their narcissism is also the reason they despise their children to the point of anger.


Also, I'm not saying PPD isn't real, but I imagine all of these women posting and flooding the algo's making this seem like it's inevitable that you'll deal with this isn't doing our birth rates any favors.
Yep, that's pretty peak attention seeking behavior imo. I'm so enraged and out of control that I'm going to go through a 5-6 step process to record and post my outburst to socials. It's very weird.
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you guys would drag your nuts over broken glass for your wives to touch your shriveled peepee.


Why is this always the feminist response to men in nearly every exchange? Y'all notice that? Just about every debate with a feminist you'll see at some point has them taking shots at the guys penis. It's so odd.
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Oh man. This is not small news.


I haven't been plugged in to the Iran situation recently so maybe this is a dumb question but is it basically coming down to.....

1) Iran betting that American sentiment will turn so much that it becomes politically radioactive for the US to continue it's presence

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2) The US waiting for it's sanctions and actions like the UAE has taken here to economically cripple the IRGC and we'll see who blinks first?
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That is why you get a good look at Mom before committing to anything. If as a younger woman, mom was nice and perky, but turned out to be horse faced saggy balloon of a woman, run away as fast as you can.


I've seen the inverse happen a fair amount too though. I know quite a few pretty hot 50 year old's whose daughters were super cute in their 20's but have fallen off bigly in their 30's.