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re: should TOPs recipients be required to stay in LA for a set # of years after graduation?
Posted on 4/21/17 at 1:24 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Posted on 4/21/17 at 1:24 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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should TOPs recipients be required to stay in LA for a set # of years after graduation?
All this would do is just push push more people to go out of state for college and stay out of state and not bring their money and bright minds back home.
It's a stupid idea and has no business being law and is solely a democrat idea designed to hurt the middle class which votes primarily republican as evidenced by this...
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Sen. Jay Luneau, D-Alexandria, who authored the bill.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 2:13 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Make tops for the best universities in the state only:
Louisiana State should get the lion's share
Louisiana Tech because they have their academic shite together with no funding
Louisiana - Lafayette because they have a population base and are close on many academic fronts
Students get tops - go to one of those three schools and that is it - make the universities accountable for their academic progress.
Louisiana State should get the lion's share
Louisiana Tech because they have their academic shite together with no funding
Louisiana - Lafayette because they have a population base and are close on many academic fronts
Students get tops - go to one of those three schools and that is it - make the universities accountable for their academic progress.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 2:52 am to KillTheGophers
So frick anyone that wants to go into a program that one of those school doesn't offer?
Never gonna happen.
Never gonna happen.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 3:52 am to GreatLakesTiger24
No. TOPS is a merit-based scholarship. That's not how a scholarship works. You pay back loans, not scholarships.
If legislators propose changing TOPS from a scholarship to a loan with employment provisions, anyone with half a brain would just take a merit-based scholarship at a school in another state before taking the loan unless the state could somehow guarantee a certain level of employment with adequate compensation upon graduation.
The whole purpose of TOPS was to keep our best and brightest students from leaving the state for college, with the thought that the state could then retain those students in the work force after graduating from college. Unfortunately, the jobs to support those graduates do not exist in this state, so people leave and follow the jobs. As they should. Supply real jobs and diversify the state's economy and people will consider staying or moving back, although the current tax-crazy political environment is not going to help with that.
If legislators propose changing TOPS from a scholarship to a loan with employment provisions, anyone with half a brain would just take a merit-based scholarship at a school in another state before taking the loan unless the state could somehow guarantee a certain level of employment with adequate compensation upon graduation.
The whole purpose of TOPS was to keep our best and brightest students from leaving the state for college, with the thought that the state could then retain those students in the work force after graduating from college. Unfortunately, the jobs to support those graduates do not exist in this state, so people leave and follow the jobs. As they should. Supply real jobs and diversify the state's economy and people will consider staying or moving back, although the current tax-crazy political environment is not going to help with that.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 4:05 am to CrazyTigerFan
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The whole purpose of TOPS was to keep our best and brightest students from leaving the state for college,
I disagree. The whole purpose originally was to allow more people the opportunity to go to college. It even originally had an income cap. Pat Taylor thought there were kids who deserved to go to college but couldn't afford it.
Now it has changed to where everyone should go to college whether you deserve to or not and no matter how much income you have taxpayers will pay for it.
If the purpose of TOPS is now to keep our best students in LA colleges then that wasn't its original purpose.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 4:09 am to Sentrius
It is a terrible idea. We should raise the bar to get TOPS and make it a loan forgiven upon graduation even if you lose TOPS along the way.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 5:19 am to GreatLakesTiger24
I'd be OK forcing students who leave LA to pay back a percentage if they leave the state, with a couple of caveats. You wouldn't have to pay it back if:
1-You could prove your job in the new state makes 10% more salary than a comparable job offer in state.
2- You could prove you weren't able to find a job.
3- You get a deferral if you are obtaining a graduate degree. I.e. Go to Florida for law school, have fun, but we expect you back here in 3 years.
I'd be more interested in forcing students who drop out pay back a percentage of the money provided. Too many people who have no business being in college are spending two or three semesters hanging out at the fraternity house before they drop out and get a job they could have gotten out of high school.
All of this assumes that TOPS is being turned into an interest free loan and not a scholarship. But in reality, the cost of putting an administration in place to handle these issues would offset the benefits of any money you get back.
The first step is jack up the requirements to get TOPS. Stop giving people who have OK GPAs and a 21 on the ACT free tuition.
1-You could prove your job in the new state makes 10% more salary than a comparable job offer in state.
2- You could prove you weren't able to find a job.
3- You get a deferral if you are obtaining a graduate degree. I.e. Go to Florida for law school, have fun, but we expect you back here in 3 years.
I'd be more interested in forcing students who drop out pay back a percentage of the money provided. Too many people who have no business being in college are spending two or three semesters hanging out at the fraternity house before they drop out and get a job they could have gotten out of high school.
All of this assumes that TOPS is being turned into an interest free loan and not a scholarship. But in reality, the cost of putting an administration in place to handle these issues would offset the benefits of any money you get back.
The first step is jack up the requirements to get TOPS. Stop giving people who have OK GPAs and a 21 on the ACT free tuition.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:04 am to Scruffy
I would think though that they'll "need" a dept to collect and more gvt employees we do not need.
I think that student should pay their tuition and when the get their grades submit them and the TOPS program would reimburse them. No make grades; no reimbursement.
I think that student should pay their tuition and when the get their grades submit them and the TOPS program would reimburse them. No make grades; no reimbursement.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:11 am to GreatLakesTiger24
The fact that there are people in this thread who think this is a good idea says a lot about the psyche in the state of Louisiana,
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:16 am to Pectus
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Yes. Unless going to grad school.
Grad school, military, and peace corp/service type jobs should be exempt.
Likewise, the state needs to find ways to grow industry and provide incentives for companies to hire LA applicants.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:20 am to 50_Tiger
To a degree, it makes sense. At the same time, the state of LA has nothing to offer in regards to many occupations.
Plus, it is broke as hell.
Plus, it is broke as hell.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:23 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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should TOPs recipients be required to stay in LA for a set # of years after graduation?
No. You know how severely this would limit the job pool for new grads? As it is, new grads have trouble getting jobs in their fields. If you limited them to only taking jobs in state, that would only get worse. Texas hires a lot of our grads and gives them a chance at a good career when LA doesn't have the economy to support all our college grads
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:23 am to Bmath
quote:Good luck. LA cannot get out of its own damn way. The state gov would frick it up somehow.
Likewise, the state needs to find ways to grow industry and provide incentives for companies to hire LA applicants.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:36 am to Scruffy
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Good luck. LA cannot get out of its own damn way. The state gov would frick it up somehow.
Sure it's a pipe dream, but most of LA is going to sink underwater in a few years anyhow.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:46 am to CrazyTigerFan
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legislators propose changing TOPS from a scholarship to a loan with employment provisions, anyone with half a brain would just take a merit-based scholarship at a school in another state before taking the loan unless the state could somehow guarantee a certain level of employment with adequate compensation upon graduation.
This. When I picked LSU for college, I had the option to take a full ride at Alabama or a couple other schools (including tuition, room and board, meal plan, and a stipend), and I chose LSU anyway. If this "you can only take a job in LA" thing existed, I would have gone to another school that was giving me a better offer anyway
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:49 am to GreatLakesTiger24
No, why would you tie your citizens to just working in La.?
Bad idea.
Limit TOPs by raiding standards, but don't tie our young people down.
Bad idea.
Limit TOPs by raiding standards, but don't tie our young people down.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:51 am to doubleb
quote:why should the people of LA subsidize the education of people who aren't going to help make it a better, more educated palace?
No, why would you tie your citizens to just working in La.?
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:52 am to GreatLakesTiger24
force grads to stay in a state where there are no jobs? great idea !
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:53 am to Scruffy
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To a degree, it makes sense. At the same time, the state of LA has nothing to offer in regards to many occupations.
Plus, it is broke as hell.
Scruffy, 50_Tiger thinks you are mostly correct except for that bolded text you wonderful put. You cannot hold people to something you cannot even account for yourself.
Texas could technically do something like this because we are diversified.
You get a degree in La you are pretty much working in a hospital or a plant as an indentured servant. Well at least until you have paid your "time" like some prisoner.
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