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re: should TOPs recipients be required to stay in LA for a set # of years after graduation?
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:03 am to therick711
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:03 am to therick711
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At least some poor kids got to go to school, though!
Less affluent smart kids, rich kids are already heading out of state with or without TOPS.
I don't give a damn what the purpose of TOPS is, it failed and has been tough to fund. So in my world you change it up.
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Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:05 am to Mingo Was His NameO
There aren't jobs for people to stay here for or come home to. What don't you get about that?
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:06 am to therick711
quote:finishing college is a admirable goal for 1 of 25 graduates. Getting a degree where you dodge challenging course work and have a worthless degree is the reason only the bright students should receive the award.
It turns out that the incentive of keeping the award makes people finish. Shocking, I know.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:07 am to tigerfoot
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I don't give a damn what the purpose of TOPS is, it failed and has been tough to fund. So in my world you change it up.
Based on its objectives and measurables year-over-year, there isn't any way in which that is accurate. TOPS has done exactly what its proponents said it would do.
It's opponents said you couldn't pull the bottom up from the top, they were wrong. It's opponents said it would not help retention rates, they were wrong. It's opponents said it wouldn't have a positive impact on graduation rates, and they were wrong.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:08 am to tigerfoot
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finishing college is a admirable goal for 1 of 25 graduates. Getting a degree where you dodge challenging course work and have a worthless degree is the reason only the bright students should receive the award.
You presume that I'm not in favor of that. I most certainly am. I think instead of it applying to what essentially is the top 30% in the state, I think it should be more around the top 15-18%.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:17 am to therick711
quote:noble ideals but we have elementary and high schools in the State that damn near need to be condemned.
t's opponents said you couldn't pull the bottom up from the top, they were wrong. It's opponents said it would not help retention rates, they were wrong. It's opponents said it wouldn't have a positive impact on graduation rates, and they were wrong.
If it worked we would have enough tax revenue from an expanding economy to continue to fund the program. Instead we have an economy that is still based off the same industries as in 1967.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:17 am to GreatLakesTiger24
This is America. You can't tell someone where they can and can't live, even if you gave them financial aid. My guess is this is completely unconstitutional.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:19 am to Hammertime
quote:we will continue to pray to the Gods of Petroleum
There aren't jobs for people to stay here for or come home to. What don't you get about that?
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:22 am to GreatLakesTiger24
This sounds dangerously close to slavery or indentured servitude.
Also the LA economy is not strong enough to support this; what if jobs in your field didn't exist?
Also what about military?
Also the LA economy is not strong enough to support this; what if jobs in your field didn't exist?
Also what about military?
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:22 am to robertLSU
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Maybe work towards making LA more appealing for college graduates to stay in voluntarily rather than trying to force them.
So you are in favor of people getting a free education on your tax dollar and then saying peace out bitches?
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:22 am to SG_Geaux
If it's TOPS they earned it.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:24 am to SG_Geaux
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So you are in favor of people getting a free education on your tax dollar and then saying peace out bitches?
There is a benefit of having smart kids go to your colleges EVEN IF they don't ultimately stay here. If you raise the profile of your college, it will attract other smart kids from other places to come here. If you're attracting smart kids to your state, some of them will start businesses here.
Advancing in college rankings is a useful end in and of itself.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:26 am to RFK
quote:.maybe TOPS should be administered by the Universities in collaboration with industry. Develop centers of excellence with public orivate partnerships?
If it's TOPS they earn
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:28 am to ELVIS U
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This is America. You can't tell someone where they can and can't live, even if you gave them financial aid. My guess is this is completely unconstitutional
This is idiotic. You most definitely can. If LA gives you a welfair check you have to live in LA and if you move you no longer get the check.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:32 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Setting aside whether it is legal to put that restriction on it, it nerfs the program. A residency requirement makes the program useless. High achievers go to college to get good jobs and make money. If going to this particular college is going to hinder their ability to maximize their earning potential, they'll go somewhere else--and they should.
This post was edited on 4/21/17 at 11:17 am
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:33 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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If LA gives you a welfair check you have to live in LA and if you move you no longer get the check.
But I bet you don't have to repay the welfare you've received.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 11:07 am to ELVIS U
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his is America. You can't tell someone where they can and can't live, even if you gave them financial aid. My guess is this is completely unconstitutional.
It's not. Most professional schools (medical schools for sure) have programs where you can get a full ride, but the stipulation is that you have to live and work in an underserved rural area for 10 years (not of your choice). And those programs are completely legal
Posted on 4/21/17 at 12:38 pm to Epic Cajun
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Take your partisan glasses off
Actually no, that is exactly what's happening here.
Republicans in the middle class are the primary users of TOPs and the democrat representative may nor may not be doing it intentionally but its designed to hurt them.
All this bill will do is just make these families refuse TOPs and then go out of state for school or not go to college at all and a bright mind is wasted and never used to its full potential. And the potential is there for them to never come back to Louisiana.
Say this bill passes and these students graduate through TOPs and they do stay here. What happens when they can't find a job in a terrible job market but they can't leave Louisiana because the TOPs is too expensive to pay back? You are dooming them to be put on the dole and get welfare checks in that scenario.
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Why should a student get free money from the state for school and then be able to pick up his things and leave after graduating, while not contributing a single cent back to the state?
I agree with you but the market is the market and we don't have a good enough job market to keep them.
However this bill is not the answer and all this bill will do is ensure not enough people use TOPs to justify its existence as a program to keep the brightest and best minds in Louisiana.
If TOPs is going to work, we have to expand the job market and grow the economy so they can justify staying here.
It's a stupid protectionist idea that will never work and is very counterproductive.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 3:22 pm to tigerfoot
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We already tried paying people to make bad movies
Lmao
We have so many people like Gene Mills and La Family Forum dragging the State backwards that the culture will never improve. Gotta "teach the controversy" in science class. Lots of jobs in that alternative science.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 5:54 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
How the HELL would that be enforced?! Would we need to hire an army of bureaucracy to track grads?
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