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re: should TOPs recipients be required to stay in LA for a set # of years after graduation?

Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:54 am to
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43534 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:54 am to
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why should the people of LA subsidize the education of people who aren't going to help make it a better, more educated palace?


Because it's citizens keep voting in fricktards that bring no new industry besides "hey be a plant baw."

Posted by ihometiger
Member since Dec 2013
12475 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:56 am to
Time to just get rid of TOPS.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86706 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:59 am to
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TOPs is welfare, but it's targeted at the middle class


taxpayers using taxpayer money isn't welfare
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
24301 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:02 am to
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I would think though that they'll "need" a dept to collect and more gvt employees we do not need.

I think that student should pay their tuition and when the get their grades submit them and the TOPS program would reimburse them. No make grades; no reimbursement.
That's pretty fair
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71188 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:07 am to
You do realize that most that go to Texas after graduation come back right? The entry level job market here is crap. Graduates are forced to go to Texas because THERE IS NO JOB HERE! Once they get enough experience in Texas to qualify for anjob here, even when it's a downward move pay wise, they often move back. This is an idiotic idea that punishes the very people this program was designed to empower.
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
76779 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:10 am to
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This is an idiotic idea


yep, force them to stay here where there are no jobs and then expect them to "contribute" .
This post was edited on 4/21/17 at 8:11 am
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
61541 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:10 am to
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taxpayers using taxpayer money isn't welfare
most people on food stamps have a job
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
61541 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:11 am to
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force them to stay here where there are no jobs and the expect them to "contribute" .
they don't have to take the money & they are free to leave if they wish
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86706 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:11 am to
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most people on food stamps have a job


if they qualify for food stamps, they don't pay taxes

Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
33900 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:12 am to
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why should the people of LA subsidize the education of people who aren't going to help make it a better, more educated palace?

1) TOPS is a program offered to citizens of LA. Not a program only for people who want to stay in LA permanently. Most kids that get TOPS have parents that have paid taxes which have gone towards TOPS, so they're entitled to the program if they make the requirements of it, whether they stay here or not.

2) Because you have to be a resident of LA, the program should encourage successful parents to move to LA with their kids, bringing two more taxpayers so that their kids can receive cheap, quality college education. Therefore, the program will bring people who want to make LA better

3) this all sounds like the opinion of someone who didn't have the opportunity to take a good job out of state, and is now envious and angry that others have the opportunity
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
61541 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:12 am to
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ou do realize that most that go to Texas after graduation come back right?
yeah, I'm going to need a link
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
78006 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:13 am to
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why should the people of LA subsidize the education of people who aren't going to help make it a better, more educated palace?

Why punish the new college grads for the poor political and therefore economic decisions of LA's moronic older population?
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43534 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:13 am to
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3) this all sounds like the opinion of someone who didn't have the opportunity to take a good job out of state, and is now envious and angry that others have the opportunity


BOOM!
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
76779 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:14 am to
it's sad that there are people who defend this idea. the same people who wonder why this state is so fricked up.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
78006 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:16 am to
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it's sad that there are people who defend this idea. the same people who wonder why this state is so fricked up.
Ding ding ding

The economic atmosphere of the state is absolutely fricked and this isn't even a band-aid.

Fix TOPS by increasing required GPA and ACT scores and by forcing those who lose TOPS due to academic failings, legal issues, etc., to pay it back.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
61541 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:25 am to
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Why punish the new college grads for the poor political and therefore economic decisions of LA's moronic older population?
maybe they shouldn't go to college on the LA taxpayers' dime if there is such low demand for college grads in the state's job market
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
76779 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:26 am to
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maybe they shouldn't go to college on the LA taxpayers' dime if there is such low demand for college grads in the state's job market


i'm a tax payer. so, my kids should not be able to use a program i help fund unless they agree to only work in this state? WTF?
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43534 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:27 am to
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maybe they shouldn't go to college on the LA taxpayers' dime if there is such low demand for college grads in the state's job market


Okay I gotta ask. Did you ever go to school in the state of Louisiana?
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
61541 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:27 am to
Yes

ETA- and I had TOPs
This post was edited on 4/21/17 at 8:30 am
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86706 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:28 am to
TOPS absolutely needs to be fixed, but there are better ways to fix it, like raising academic standards and forcing drop outs to pay back

Forcing grads that leave the state to pay it back isn't the solution
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