re: Serious Conversation about lesbian/gays (allowed) in church

We all carry the disease of sin so yes. This is actually a good thing. Rather than view it in the sense you posted, view it as even someone as bad as Hitler can be saved. No one is beyond saving.

I think that's a sad reality we are seeing. There is so much pressure to seem non judgemental that believers have been neutered from speaking the truth at times. Like I said earlier, a major part of that resistance is that people generally hate to be held accountable. They want to live as they feel and not ever be told that they could be doing something wrong.

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I think we should welcome everyone and try to help them become godly and change from their sinful ways. We have to try to love and help everyone. But.....gays shouldn't be allowed to marry, hold church positions, or become members of the church unless they turn from the sin.

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So you aren't a sinner?

Difference between being a sinner and living in habitual sin. It's the same reason a pastor would be fired if it's discovered he is Tiger Woods lite. You can't blatantly and unrepentadly live a life in sin and expect to be in a leadership position.

If he had sexual urges for people of the same sex but cared more about his relationship with God rather than his human sexual urges, I'd applaud and admire that person for their faith and dedication. Like I said, I'd only be upset if that person was actively engaging in homosexual relations.

I have a buddy who is a celibate homosexual man and he's the volunteer coordinator for our student ministry. Nobody has a problem with him but everyone knows he doesn't partake in homosexual relations.


It's not just homosexual either. The guy I referenced is named Trevor. If he got caught having gay sex, he couldn't be VC anymore. Same goes for me. If I got my girlfriend pregnant or was caught having sex with her, they wouldn't let me volunteer there either.

You're a real sport, you know that?

It's all good. All those horrible things he thinks about people isn't as bad as thinking about banging dudes.

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Posted by Moustache

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Wrong

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C'mon man, killing someone and lying is all equal?

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Yes. Sin is sin; but grace still abounds.

Yup. Basically sin is wrong no matter what it is. And you're either right or you're wrong. There is no in between. That's why God doesn't weigh sins. It's either wrong or its not.