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re: Serious Conversation about lesbian/gays (allowed) in church

Posted on 3/23/15 at 3:36 pm to
Posted by yurintroubl
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 3:36 pm to
Hypocrisy closing minds is one thing... Hypocrisy closing doors to people is another.

I think you have tactfully approached the subject.
Posted by Circle K Beggar
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 3:36 pm to
This is actually a decent thread.



Expect it to be anchored soon.
Posted by oleyeller
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 3:37 pm to
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Can you link something or post a pic or the paper so we can conclude this isn't a troll thread?


i 100% can get a pic of paper when i get home from work.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 3:41 pm to
allow me to defend this particular's church's position on this

this church obviously views homosexuality as a sin, and an openly gay couple or person, who is not wanting to repent from that sin, and is choosing to continue to live in that sin, that church does not welcome this type of person into their church

in this church's eyes, it would be like someone admitting to being a murderer and telling everyone that they will continue to murder people and will not change

would you welcome that person into your church? knowing that they murdered someone the night before and will murder someone else the next day?

at least that is what I think...

who the frick really knows
Posted by Alatgr
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 3:42 pm to
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Jesus taught us to hate the sin, love the sinner; judge not lest ye be judged; judgement is reserved for thine father in heaven; let he who is without sin casteth the first stone; ect. Gays should not only be allowed in the church but welcome, so that they may be saved from their sin just as adulterers, drunkards, prostitutes, tax cheats, thiefs, rapists, murderers, lawyers, ect are all allowed to attend churches. The sinners are the ones who NEED it


Yep. It's pretty interesting how the Bible thumpingest Christians seem like they are the ones that have never actually read it.
This post was edited on 3/23/15 at 3:43 pm
Posted by TigerChief10
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 3:42 pm to
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I went to HS with a guy who was as gay as he could be without leaping out of the closet in a cloud of glitter. Fast forward many years, and he's the music minister at First Baptist Church. Never married, no female relationships, ever. I guess it's a don't ask, don't tell kind of thing.


I know exactly who you are talking about though I do not know his name. My parents went to school with him. Think it's really cool and honorable his faith in God is so strong that he doesn't act on his own sexual preferences.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 3:43 pm to
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Think it's really cool and honorable his faith in God is so strong that he doesn't act on his own sexual preferences openly


FIFY
Posted by oleyeller
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 3:43 pm to
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se not all are, but just about every Christian who is anti-homosexual recites the same bible versus as validation of their stance. It's fricking gross to hear.



like i said, i am a christian.. and i am 100% against homosexual. But im not going to deny them access to my church and my God. i believe those bible verses, but im not picking and choosing those to live by. There are many more things that The Bible says are wrong in Gods eyes. Its not my place to judge, and definitely not my place to deny someone access to Gods house
Posted by oleyeller
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 3:47 pm to
quote:

allow me to defend this particular's church's position on this

this church obviously views homosexuality as a sin, and an openly gay couple or person, who is not wanting to repent from that sin, and is choosing to continue to live in that sin, that church does not welcome this type of person into their church

in this church's eyes, it would be like someone admitting to being a murderer and telling everyone that they will continue to murder people and will not change

would you welcome that person into your church? knowing that they murdered someone the night before and will murder someone else the next day?

at least that is what I think...

who the frick really knows


i know your playing the devils advocate and thats cool.. no problem at all. The problem lies when this church has had multiple teenage pregnant girls. Numerous people commit adultry. A couple of people in the church very well known to sleep with married memvers wives and ruin marriages. And all are still welcome there. There was no writeup in the paper denying them church access. I just dont agree with them picking and choosing which sins they think are not deserving of their church
This post was edited on 3/23/15 at 3:49 pm
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 3:47 pm to
quote:

quote: And sure as hell wouldnt make a half a page writeup in the paper telling them not to. right they just would talk about them behind their backs and wish they would leave instead of just telling them to leave like the other church I respect the other church more because at least they have their position out in the open and don't fake a smile to people they judge


So if one guy was racist but worked at a minority-serving soup kitchen anyway, you would respect him less than a guy that would love to go help out but won't as long as they serve minorities?
Posted by broeho
Atlanta, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 3:47 pm to
quote:

I went to HS with a guy who was as gay as he could be without leaping out of the closet in a cloud of glitter. Fast forward many years, and he's the music minister at First Baptist Church. Never married, no female relationships, ever. I guess it's a don't ask, don't tell kind of thing.



when I was in high school, a lot of the guys who were really effeminate and had stereotypically "gay characteristics" were actually just really religious.

Or at the very least there was a classic debate amongst friends and classmates: Is he gay? Or just really, really in to christianity? I don't really really understand why there was a correlation between the two, but there definitely seemed to be one.
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 3:48 pm to
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The irony of judgmental Christians is amazing to me.


I'm not really all that religious, but I'm glad I was raised Catholic. I was never taught to be quite as judgmental and "black and white" about you're going to heaven or you're going to hell as the "Christian" churches appear. I'm already a judgmental a-hole as it is, I couldn't imagine what I'd be if I had an entire upbringing backing me up on it
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 3:48 pm to
quote:

The problem lies when this church has had multiple teenage pregnant girls. Numerous people commit adultry. A couple of people in the church very well known to slee with married memvers wives and ruin marriages. And all are still welcome there.


the difference is those people can repent from that sin or say they changed

a openly gay person, unless they say they are not gay anymore, is not repenting or changing from their sin
Posted by Black n Gold
Member since Feb 2009
15962 posts
Posted on 3/23/15 at 3:49 pm to
quote:

I know exactly who you are talking about though I do not know his name. My parents went to school with him. Think it's really cool and honorable his faith in God is so strong that he doesn't act on his own sexual preferences.


I find it kinda sad that an individual has to live out a lie his entire life due to a bunch of judgmental sinners.
Posted by Mr. Fantasy
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 3:51 pm to
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Posted by Black n Gold
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 3:52 pm to
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I'm surprised by the number of people here who actually believe homosexuality is a sin.


And a "big one" at that.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 3/23/15 at 3:52 pm to
quote:

a openly gay person, unless they say they are not gay anymore, is not repenting or changing from their sin


Liking dudes is not a sin.
Posted by TigerChief10
Member since Dec 2012
10858 posts
Posted on 3/23/15 at 3:53 pm to
Hey that's his own choice. He could've chosen to be in a band called Rainbow Ferries but he chose to lead a life based on his faith in God. I personally do not believe in God or homosexuality but I still think what he has chosen is very honorable.
Posted by oleyeller
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 3:53 pm to
quote:

quote:
The problem lies when this church has had multiple teenage pregnant girls. Numerous people commit adultry. A couple of people in the church very well known to slee with married memvers wives and ruin marriages. And all are still welcome there.


the difference is those people can repent from that sin or say they changed

a openly gay person, unless they say they are not gay anymore, is not repenting or changing from their sin


so instead of allowing them to come to church and hear Gods word they just ban them from church? I can completely understand them not allowing them to become members, or hold a position in the church. I agree 100% with that. But what good as a christian are they doing by banning them from hearing the only thing that can bring them out of this sin and into Gods arms. The church isnt telling anyone homosexuality is okay, they are not telling them to keep doing it. They should be the one showing them what its like to be a christian and God will speak to them.

Sorry i dont mean to offend anyone here who is a homosexual or pro homosexuality. Im speaking from my Baptist beliefs
Posted by yurintroubl
Dallas, Tx.
Member since Apr 2008
30192 posts
Posted on 3/23/15 at 3:53 pm to
quote:


a openly gay person, unless they say they are not gay anymore, is not repenting or changing from their sin


A murderer is still a murderer even if they say they aren't anymore... but they are allowed to be repentant.
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