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re: Reports of over 20 young camp girls missing In TX floods

Posted on 7/5/25 at 11:43 am to
Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 7/5/25 at 11:43 am to
I'm not from Texas and have never heard of these camps. But why would they rebuild camps close to an area that this happened to in the 80s? Especially for a natural disaster where you basically have no warning and you're dealing with little kiss. At least with hurricanes you have multiple days notice.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75175 posts
Posted on 7/5/25 at 11:45 am to
@TheIntelFrog put together a good synopsis of this morning's press conference:

quote:

From the press conference:
- As of 0855L authorities have evacuated 850 uninjured, 8 injured, and 27 fatalities (9 children, 18 adults) recovered
- Rescue and Recovery operations are still under way
- To report missing people call 830-258-1111 or email floodrecovery@co.kerr.tx.us

Con't:
- Shelters are setup for folks displaced
- "We do not need materials or volunteers at this time"
- First responders will conduct SAR ops until all citizens are accounted for

Con't:
- Kerrville Mayor: "I want you to know that today will be a hard day."
- A fund has been setup by the Community Foundation of the Texas Hill Country (Information on the City of Kerrville, TX Facebook Page)

Con't:
- Operations continued through the evening
- Water has largely receded
- Please do not conduct your own search
- We have 27 missing campers from Camp Mystic. Unknown number of missing people.

Con't:
- As far as other missing people "we do not have a count and do not want to estimate at this time."
- Teams are starting in Hunt and moving down river conducting primary searches for missing people.


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This post was edited on 7/5/25 at 11:46 am
Posted by NorthEndZone
Member since Dec 2008
14308 posts
Posted on 7/5/25 at 11:47 am to
quote:

Flash Floods are very much like a tsunami in dynamics


Yeah watching that video it looks like it rose much faster than a hurricane storm surge and maybe not quite as fast as a large tsunami.

I can see a few adults without children being able to escape it if they were awake when it started, but can you imagine a few teenagers and dozens of young kids without their parents or family members and are half asleep being awakened by suddenly rising water.

God bless the souls of the deceased and prayers for their families and the survivors.
Posted by Tigershat
Member since Sep 2007
1873 posts
Posted on 7/5/25 at 11:48 am to
The cabins were up pretty high from the river and it never really crossed my mind that flooding could have reached them. They have some really old structures( dining hall, admin buildings etc) that are lower or at same level as these cabins that have not seemed like they have ever been impacted by flooding to any great degree.
Posted by Winston Cup
Dallas Cowboys Fan
Member since May 2016
66922 posts
Posted on 7/5/25 at 11:50 am to
I’m just down the road from Kerrville this weekend, eerie day. I mean really fricking eerie. Really want to go down there but would probably get in the way, and the drones can cover so much more ground.

Reading some of this thread breaks my heart. Absolutely awful
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75175 posts
Posted on 7/5/25 at 11:50 am to
quote:

Flash Floods are very much like a tsunami in dynamics. Hindsight I'm this story, you have to wonder if discussions took place about the risks of flooding and the camp sites. I'm not judging at all either, I have no clue how I'd react to the NWS forecast, but I'm curious if anyone had those discussions.

That is going to be an uncomfortable part of the discussion in the coming days. I hate it, but it is.
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
46021 posts
Posted on 7/5/25 at 11:51 am to
This is worse than 87.

There’s not really a way to plan for a once in a lifetime natural event that happens at 4 in the morning.

Posted by Mr Sausage
Cat Spring, Texas
Member since Oct 2011
15763 posts
Posted on 7/5/25 at 11:54 am to
Water has never reached those cabin locations before in recorded history.
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
7795 posts
Posted on 7/5/25 at 11:58 am to
Daughter just got off the phone with a former co-worker/ counselor where daughter camped and worked the past 15 years until this summer. Her friend had to drive into town on Friday night. She was advised by staff that there was a flood watch and to just stay in town for the night if there was any sign of flooding. Just posting this to say that staff was aware of the threat, though I’m sure they didn’t think it would be this bad.
Posted by Lexis Dad
Member since Apr 2025
6399 posts
Posted on 7/5/25 at 12:02 pm to
quote:

Doppler estimates showing close to 21 inches now in that area.

Christ
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
84584 posts
Posted on 7/5/25 at 12:02 pm to
Wife just showed me a Facebook post regarding a little girl's body being recovered. Her parents were on vacation in Italy.

Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216469 posts
Posted on 7/5/25 at 12:07 pm to
Just saw that a girl was found 12 miles down stream. Holy crap.
Posted by Lexis Dad
Member since Apr 2025
6399 posts
Posted on 7/5/25 at 12:12 pm to
I gotta leave this thread for a bit. That just tears me up.

If my daughter weren't at her granny's RN I'd give her a big bear hug..
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
26630 posts
Posted on 7/5/25 at 12:13 pm to
quote:

That is going to be an uncomfortable part of the discussion in the coming days. I hate it, but it is.


Those camps probably have to thread a needle when it comes to weather because the entire camp business model revolves around outdoor activities. That can't be an easy decision. And when the NWS calls for potential flash flooding, you'd hope discussions were taking place about what to do.

It's a horrible position to be in.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75175 posts
Posted on 7/5/25 at 12:18 pm to
The Burnet county Flash Flood Emergency was extended another two hours until 2pm, the second extension for that one.
Posted by SWLA92
SWLA
Member since Feb 2015
5056 posts
Posted on 7/5/25 at 12:22 pm to
It just keeps coming in that area. And it’s not moving
Posted by Gnash
Cypress, Tx
Member since Oct 2015
11037 posts
Posted on 7/5/25 at 12:33 pm to
quote:

Water has never reached those cabin locations before in recorded history.

This needs to be reiterated, it’s not exactly something you can forecast or plan for because the river has never reached those levels in the 100 year history of the camp. The NWS forecasted possible flash floods, no one could have predicted the storm would dump 4 months worth of rainfall in a 4 hour span.
Posted by Gnash
Cypress, Tx
Member since Oct 2015
11037 posts
Posted on 7/5/25 at 12:34 pm to
quote:

The Burnet county Flash Flood Emergency was extended another two hours until 2pm, the second extension for that one.

A buddy of mine is currently stuck in Burnet County with his family. They’re ok, but he’s sent me some crazy videos of the Colorado River.
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
26630 posts
Posted on 7/5/25 at 12:38 pm to
Yeah, again I'm not judging. I just wonder if the camp has emergency plans, where there are built in trigger points that require action plans. It's not likely considering these aren't billion dollar entities, but maybe moving forward, they need an emergency plan with heat mapping metrics that trigger something.

After this, there will be lifelong changes made to how these camps respond. Like every one has said, yeah, flash flooding is damn near impossible to predict exact location of where, no judgment from me. I don't know how either a parent or camp administrator should handle this.
Posted by CuseTiger
Member since Jul 2013
9070 posts
Posted on 7/5/25 at 12:44 pm to
Praying for those currently missing.

One thing I was interested for this weather event is where all the rainfall happened and try to overlay the drought map with the rainfall map. Based on an initial glance, it looked like this heavy rain fell right into the worst drought areas. I'm sure that combination really made things a lot worse

Drought map


Rainfall last 2 days map. 15 to 20" is tough to handle in any area, let alone in a drought stricken region
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