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re: Power Plant at ORCS Will cripple Mississippi River eventually
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:06 am to DCTiger
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:06 am to DCTiger
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You’re forgetting a lot of authorities the USACE can use: Section 208 of the 54 FCA PL 84-99 Emergency Function #3 Don’t be so linear in your thought process.
Then they must not deem the author's claim to be valid enough to invoke one of these authorities and prevent our impending doom!
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Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:20 am to armytiger96
Meh...if it happens and caused by a flood...things could get real bad real fast.
Just remember the trial run when the levee collapsed after Katrina. That small section took a long time and effort to get under control.
If the river actually breaks thru somewhere around that structure, it gonna be unstoppable
Just remember the trial run when the levee collapsed after Katrina. That small section took a long time and effort to get under control.
If the river actually breaks thru somewhere around that structure, it gonna be unstoppable
Posted on 6/9/26 at 7:55 am to UnitedFruitCompany
Really good book. I read it about 20 yrs ago. I need to read it again. I learned a lot about Eads. Dude was fearless walking the River bottom under an iron bell. We wonder why the La coast is disappearing when all that silt is sent out into the Gulf. I haven't read up on it lately, but last I did, the River is getting harder to contain at the Morganza Spillway. Nature will eventually have its way.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 8:06 am to armytiger96
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These issues would make our current sinking of coastal wetlands seem like child's play.
Plaquemines parish would not last long - oyster men and shrimpers would be happy and then they will be screwed.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 8:11 am to UnitedFruitCompany
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Read this:
Rising Tide: The Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 and How It Changed America
An American epic of science, politics, race, honor, high society, and the Mississippi River, Rising Tide tells the riveting and nearly forgotten story of the greatest natural disaster this country has ever known -- the Mississippi flood of 1927.
And you'll know more than anyone involved in the decision making progress about the MS river today.
And then listen to this:
Posted on 6/9/26 at 8:20 am to 87PurpleandGold
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. We wonder why the La coast is disappearing when all that silt is sent out into the Gulf
Every off shoot of the Miss River south of BR such as; bayous manchac, Lafourche, segnette, bienvenue, terre aux boefs, Bonne carre crevasse and via the Atchafalaya river bayous teche and courtablue
Throw in all the man made canals (especially the MRGO) and well here we are
Posted on 6/9/26 at 8:23 am to ChatGPT of LA
Good discussion in this thread
Posted on 6/9/26 at 8:29 am to UnitedFruitCompany
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Rising Tide: The Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 and How It Changed America
I have read it 4 times. fascinating stuff
Posted on 6/9/26 at 9:23 am to armytiger96
It is a column written by a former president of Mississippi chemical. I spell that out in the original post. What part do you not get? I did not say if what he was saying was accurate or likely. In fact, I have no opinion and I'm enjoying seeing how this discussion plays out because I'm learning new things from it
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:52 pm to armytiger96
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prevent our impending doom!
Name me a time and/or project where the USACE has been proactive rather than reactive. I'll hang up and listen.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:05 pm to Purple Spoon
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The Mississippi River will change course. It is inevitable.
No it’s not. If people decide to keep it flowing the way it is they will do so. As powerful as the river is it is not nearly as powerful as mankind.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:22 pm to armytiger96
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Then you have the other problems associated with the current path of the becoming a saltwater from the Gulf to BR.
They wouldn’t let that happen. They would just divert enough water past NOLA to keep it fresh.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:53 pm to Elusiveporpi
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Sediment dumping into 20ft of water and being blown back onto the coast instead of dumping into 1000's of ft of water and settling on the bottom.
They should cut the levees south of New Orleans and let that happen there
Posted on 6/9/26 at 2:01 pm to Chad504boy
would underwater explosives do the job?
—Think of the free catfish haul after that.
—Think of the free catfish haul after that.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 2:29 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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The power plant is causing extra sediment to stay in the river, causing mud to build up on the sides and in the middle. That blocks the flow.
Since water takes the path of least resistance the blockage will make it more likely to jump its banks and make the Atchafalaya the main channel.
The CoE could undo the damage by dredging where the sediment is building.
That would have saved me a lot of reading time,
Posted on 6/9/26 at 2:43 pm to armytiger96
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The increased silting in recent decades is most likely a direct result of them opening the Morganza Spillway multiple times due to high water levels of MS in recent years.
Morganza has only been opened twice, 1973 & 2011. So obviously it hasn’t affected sedimentation at all. The silting of this section of river is largely due to the man-made cutoff program in the early 1900s.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 2:45 pm to armytiger96
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[quote]The Mississippi jumping to the Atchafalaya would probably solve or at least slow down the states erosion issues. Sediment dumping into 20ft of water and being blown back onto the coast instead of dumping into 1000's of ft of water and settling on the bottom.[/quote
No it would create a whole bunch of other problems such as filling in the Atchafalya basin. In the 1990's I went with members of USACE to to speak with some of the locals about these concerns. Old timers showed me massive islands in the basin that didn't exist until the control structure was built.
Eventually Morgan City and other towns along the Atchafalaya would cease to exist since they would become part of the river's path as the river slows down and widens as it builds a delta at the Gulf of America.
Then you have the other problems associated with the current path of the becoming a saltwater from the Gulf to BR.
These issues would make our current sinking of coastal wetlands seem like child's play.
No plan is perfect, I'm just stating that it would help coastal erosion. This could possibly be the only fix for LA not washing away.
Its like you dont even care about the Point-au-chene Chitimacha indians who;s land is currently sinking and eroding away.
J/K Im just tired of my fishing spots and barrier island washing away.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 3:47 pm to Philzilla2k
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The Mississippi started to change course in 1950.
Started a long time before that.
Thanks to Captain Shreve.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 4:11 pm to armytiger96
My favorite thing about the power plant is that Houma atty Grady Weeks bought Blackhawk Plantation a few years before the power plant location was chosen, and they paid him enough for land for the power plant to pay off his hunting club.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 6:05 pm to Chad504boy
quote:it's a bunch of shite. USACE's management is dictated but federal law. When this gauge hits this number they do this....and so on. The MRC doesn't get to just dictate shite on a whim.
very interesting.
ftr, i have no idea what i just read.
And "Land inside the levees". Lol bature land? Yea you own that land because you pawpaws dad bought it for super super cheap. Knowing it can flood at any time.
Same shite as the frickheads that bitch when the spillways are activated. Pissing and moaning that their camps got flooded......in a spillway......where you kin bought that land for pennies on the dollar because the FEDs can flood it when they need to relieve the river.
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