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re: Power Plant at ORCS Will cripple Mississippi River eventually

Posted on 6/8/26 at 8:53 pm to
Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
2676 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 8:53 pm to
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Sounds like the state will be fricked either way. Just as soon let the river run its natural course and attempt to stop erosion.


This would be catastrophic for the state.


I would willing to bet if you tracked the guy that is spewing this crap you would find that he is somehow monetizing from his recent fear mongering campaign either as a writer or some how through preventing power generation in the area.

Notice his prior crusade was killing a multibillion dollar power plant for Mississippians and now all of the concerns stem from 17% of MS RIver flow going through the hydroelectric plant at ORCC.






Posted by wheelr
New Iberia
Member since Jul 2012
6100 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 8:57 pm to
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I would willing to bet if you tracked the guy that is spewing this crap


Did you see my post with the links on the first page?

The OP has posted this same post at least 3 times now. One just a few weeks ago. Seems odd.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
52192 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 9:01 pm to
That’s some weird shite

He also asked about the dress code at Muriel’s of all places
This post was edited on 6/8/26 at 9:03 pm
Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
2676 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 9:06 pm to
[quote]The Mississippi jumping to the Atchafalaya would probably solve or at least slow down the states erosion issues. Sediment dumping into 20ft of water and being blown back onto the coast instead of dumping into 1000's of ft of water and settling on the bottom.[/quote

No it would create a whole bunch of other problems such as filling in the Atchafalya basin. In the 1990's I went with members of USACE to to speak with some of the locals about these concerns. Old timers showed me massive islands in the basin that didn't exist until the control structure was built.

Eventually Morgan City and other towns along the Atchafalaya would cease to exist since they would become part of the river's path as the river slows down and widens as it builds a delta at the Gulf of America.

Then you have the other problems associated with the current path of the becoming a saltwater from the Gulf to BR.

These issues would make our current sinking of coastal wetlands seem like child's play.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42720 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 9:13 pm to
quote:

Don't confuse speed with volume. That water is gonna reach the gulf, Mudthing or not.


The less GPMs in the rainy season increases the height of the river, right?
Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
2676 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 9:22 pm to
quote:

Explain why the Atchafalaya basin has been silting up.


Because on avg 300,000 cfs of water carrying a significant amount sediment is diverted into the basin via the ORCS. As this water travels downstream it eventually reduces velocity and no longer has the energy to keep that sediment suspended so it falls out. The accumulation overtime of the sediment is the "silting up" that the basin has experienced since Capt Shreve connected the two rivers.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15959 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 9:24 pm to
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Because on avg 300,000 cfs of water carrying a significant amount sediment is diverted into the basin via the ORCS. As this water travels downstream it eventually reduces velocity and no longer has the energy to keep that sediment suspended so it falls out. The accumulation overtime of the sediment is the "silting up" that the basin has experienced since Capt Shreve connected the two rivers.


But the article states that sediment is not going that direction due the power generation. It actually increased silting a lot in recent decades.
Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
2676 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 9:25 pm to
quote:

The OP has posted this same post at least 3 times now. One just a few weeks ago. Seems odd.


He says in the link you provided from Dec that Kelley Williams sent it to him personally. So he either knows Kelley or is Kelley.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84888 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 9:32 pm to
quote:

very interesting. ftr, i have no idea what i just read.




I never heard of mudberg until a thread last week and now it’s like common knowledge
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84888 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 9:39 pm to
quote:

FTR, I'm gonna call this claim bullshite.


I’d like to see a picture of this mud. Google didn’t turn up any
Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
2676 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 9:46 pm to
quote:

But the article states that sediment is not going that direction due the power generation. It actually increased silting a lot in recent decades.


Not exactly. The article is implying that 170,000 cfs of the water that goes through hydroelectric plant is "clean" water because its going over a weir to the electric plant. As a result remaining water the flows along the current path of MS River now has higher concentration of suspended solids and doesn't have the energy to keep the additional solids suspended so they fall out just south of the structure until the suspended load achieves "equillibrium"

The 170K cfs eventually combines with the other 130Kcfs of sediment carrying water and goes down the Atchafalaya and eventually into the basin.

The build up south of the structure could also be caused by the river slowing down south of the structure for a variety of reasons. I have no idea if the author is accurate in his claim for the cause of "Mudberg."

The increased silting in recent decades is most likely a direct result of them opening the Morganza Spillway multiple times due to high water levels of MS in recent years.
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
6646 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 9:46 pm to
quote:

This would be catastrophic for the state.



It's gonna happen at some point.

Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
58326 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 9:49 pm to
You mean that stupid gasification plant in Kemper County?

Plant was a boondoggle for Southern Company.
Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
2676 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 9:55 pm to
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It's gonna happen at some point.


And we will likely rebuild the structure.

Captain Shreve connected the rivers in 1831 and the structure was built in 1960. We went 130 years without the structure and didn't lose the river.


It took 2 years from Congressional Authorization to close the MRGO. If the structure fails it's not like it will become an instantaneous irreversible catastrophe.


Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
2676 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:00 pm to
quote:

You mean that stupid gasification plant in Kemper County? Plant was a boondoggle for Southern Company.


I have no idea or opinion about the plant just whatever was referenced in the article. I believe that either you and/or Kelley Williams has some ulterior motives behind the fear mongering in these articles.

It would be nice if you gave some credibility to your claims in the article by listing your professional credentials because I'm not likely to believe a journalist who is creating a narrative for some reason.
This post was edited on 6/8/26 at 10:07 pm
Posted by NorCali
Member since Feb 2015
1749 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:09 pm to
quote:

Rising Tide: The Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 and How It Changed America

Read it after Katrina. And lost all faith in the Corps
They have been screwing up management of the Miss River for over a century.
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