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Posted on 11/2/26 at 5:36 am to The Pirate King
Is it most likely they stalled by increasing altitude with iced wings? So if they would have reduced their altitude at that time would they likely have been okay? At least temporarily?
It sounds like theres a good chance issue is they increased altitude with iced wings at the moment they ran into a weather system with upward lift which also reduced their lift? The downward dive that ensued was unrecoverable?
The other thing that would have saved them is if they would have done like most private pilots and avoided this entire weather system in the first place, to avoid icing and upward lift scenarios?
It sounds like theres a good chance issue is they increased altitude with iced wings at the moment they ran into a weather system with upward lift which also reduced their lift? The downward dive that ensued was unrecoverable?
The other thing that would have saved them is if they would have done like most private pilots and avoided this entire weather system in the first place, to avoid icing and upward lift scenarios?
Posted on 11/2/26 at 5:37 am to Btrtigerfan
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ADS-B data shows a decent rate of 300kts and a speed across ground rate of about the same figure. Which is it? It’s it a combination of both?
It’s a combination of both.
Man-splaining this but
“Descent Rate”: is the change in vertical altitude
Ground speed is obviously how fast you are moving across the horizontal ground
“Air Speed” is how much air is moving across the aircraft. Air speed and ground speed are not the same in most scenarios
All three are different
This post was edited on 11/2/26 at 5:47 am
Posted on 11/2/26 at 5:41 am to LegendInMyMind
Meant to type like - 45 and 60 are the two primary Lear models. Pax = short hand for passengers.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 5:44 am to baldona
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Is it most likely they stalled by increasing altitude with iced wings? So if they would have reduced their altitude at that time would they likely have been okay? At least temporarily? It sounds like theres a good chance issue is they increased altitude with iced wings at the moment they ran into a weather system with upward lift which also reduced their lift? The downward dive that ensued was unrecoverable? The other thing that would have saved them is if they would have done like most private pilots and avoided this entire weather system in the first place, to avoid icing and upward lift scenarios?
Maybe.
I thought they might have exceeded red line in the stall recovery and pulled the tail off when trying to pitch up for stall recovery.
The photos make it look like the horizontal stabilizer was gone.
It has about the same chord as the wings. You should be able to see it if you can see the wings. The wings are clearly visible.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 5:53 am to JudgeHolden
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The photos make it look like the horizontal stabilizer was gone. It has about the same chord as the wings. You should be able to see it if you can see the wings. The wings are clearly visible.
I’m by no means an expert but there’s a couple frames where it seems like there’s something there just blurry. They are considerably smaller than the wings and everything else in the photos are blurry but larger, you can see the engines are elongated.
But either way, it doesn’t seem like the horizontal stabilizers would just come off at cruising speed at 34,000 ft so if they actually did come off it was likely in the decent caused by a stall and may not have been recoverable either way?
Posted on 11/2/26 at 5:55 am to JudgeHolden
The Learjet has onboard weather radar correct?
No chance they were using WaaS and the delay made them think the storm was farther away than it was right?
No chance they were using WaaS and the delay made them think the storm was farther away than it was right?
Posted on 11/2/26 at 5:57 am to baldona
This guy provides a possible icing explanation. They were trying to avoiding precipitation and flew right into a cell before crashing.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 6:00 am to baldona
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But either way, it doesn’t seem like the horizontal stabilizers would just come off at cruising speed at 34,000
Learjet T-tails are susceptible to breaking apart in overspeed conditions. The aircraft certainly broke up. It’s just a matter of when, during the stall or the dive
It’s important to know this was not normal cruising condition. The pilot was reporting moderate turbulence bouncing their aircraft +/-700 feet.
Also T-storms create wind shear and uplifting effects. It’s not like the aircraft was moving across pudding and the tail fell off
Posted on 11/2/26 at 6:03 am to Tigeralum2008
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It’s important to know this was not normal cruising condition. The pilot was reporting moderate turbulence bouncing their aircraft +/-700 feet.
Of course, because a huge percentage of pilots would have never flown through that storm. For these exact reasons.
The video above’s still shot shows the stabilizers there. Idk if that’s enhanced or not?
Posted on 11/2/26 at 6:07 am to baldona
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The video above’s still shot shows the stabilizers there. Idk if that’s enhanced or not?
Pretty sure that's just been photoshopped.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 6:08 am to baldona
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The video above’s still shot shows the stabilizers there. Idk if that’s enhanced or not?
Not sure it’s possible to get an image that clear of something moving that fast.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 6:19 am to CrappyPants
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Can someone explain how they can talk or breathe going that fast? Or be able to even "look outside" Wouldn't G-forces be applicable here?
G forces are caused by rapid changes in speed or direction, this was more of a long sustained acceleration straight down. The plane engines and gravity combined to have them at exceptional speed when they hit, but the G force through the decent wouldn’t be that high.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 6:20 am to MikeD
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I believe the female pilot involved in the tragic private plane crash in Palm Beach County today is Nathalia Filgueiras, of Florida.
Nathalia Filgueiras did a news interview about getting her pilot's license while still in high school in 2023.
In a March 2026 post, Nathalia posted about flying a LearJet 60, the type of plane that crashed today.
Her sister, Giulia, also seemingly commented on a TikTok post about the crash saying "My sister [broken heart emoji]" and her Instagram is following Nathalia's "itsnatflig" account.
Her partner, "J" (as seen in her IG bio) is likely the "Jack" she cries out to in the chilling audio. It looks like she flies with him routinely, according to her former social media posts.
Jack is also heard reciting the Lord's prayer in the moments before the crash.
May they rest in peace.
This post was edited on 11/2/26 at 6:23 am
Posted on 11/2/26 at 6:22 am to Meauxjeaux
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Why does that thumbnail pick have wheels down on it and the plane at a profile view? That’s not at all what the actual video was.
I hate how a lot of videos now are using shitty AI thumbnails, but while I'd never seen him before, he did have some good early info.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 6:23 am to RummelTiger
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Not sure it’s possible to get an image that clear of something moving that fast.
Pretty much any video right now that would be that good is someone doing AI reconstruction
Posted on 11/2/26 at 6:24 am to Sl0thstronautEsq
Posted on 11/2/26 at 6:31 am to Sl0thstronautEsq
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Nathalia Filgueiras did a news interview about getting her pilot's license while still in high school in 2023.
Exactly who I want flying my plane.
Yikes.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 6:33 am to texag7
There's absolutely no way she would be PIC of a learjet at this point if she got her license in 2023.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 6:36 am to Sl0thstronautEsq
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I believe the female pilot involved in the tragic private plane crash in Palm Beach County today is Nathalia Filgueiras, of Florida.
That’s the Second Lady pointed out in this thread with a relation to that plane. It’s a charter company, I’m going to guess they hire young pilots to be the 2nd pilot to keep costs lower and go through a lot of young pilots (many being female) as the pilots gain hours they get new and better jobs.
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