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re: Map of the latest winter sunrise under permanent DST
Posted on 7/15/26 at 9:47 am to SoDakHawk
Posted on 7/15/26 at 9:47 am to SoDakHawk
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Kids don't walk to school anymore, what hole have you guys been living in? This isn't the 1980s anymore.
My nephew lives in a neighborhood literally next to school
<5 min walk.
They wont allow it, have to go through car line. Insanity
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Posted on 7/15/26 at 9:47 am to stout
Damn my kids would be waking up 3 hours before sunrise 
This post was edited on 7/15/26 at 9:48 am
Posted on 7/15/26 at 9:49 am to Tiger1242
Some kids will be in 2nd period and it will still be dark The circadian rhythm would be absolutely fricked for kids
If they pass this it won’t make it 5 years
The circadian rhythm would be absolutely fricked for kids If they pass this it won’t make it 5 years
This post was edited on 7/15/26 at 9:50 am
Posted on 7/15/26 at 9:52 am to mauser
quote:Surely they already are. Some of those times say 8:30, 9:00, 8:00, etc. Even if you subtract an hour, that’s 7:30, 8:00, 7:00, etc.
I think school hours should be rolled back an hour. I think grade school and middle school kids walking to school or waiting at a bus stop in the dark is a bad idea.
School usually starts around those times. You usually have to be at the bus stop an hour before school actually starts. So they’re probably at the bus stop in the dark at 6:30, 7:00, 6:00, etc. already anyway.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 9:52 am to lsupride87
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give a reason at all why they picked DST over standard time?
Appeal to the idiots. Cake and circus
Posted on 7/15/26 at 9:54 am to stout
Unpopular but i like how it gets dark early in late fall and winter. Adds to the seasonal lore.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 10:04 am to Horsemeat
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They tried permanent daylight savings in the 70s and it was wildly unpopular because people realized that their kids would waiting for busses in the dark for most of the year. I have a feeling this will only last a year or two until cities up against the western edges of the time zones like Atlanta, Cleveland/Columbus, Louisville, Amarillo, Lubbock, Salt Lake, and all along the west coast will start screaming about that again.
You are correct. The population is ignorant. They do not understand the extra sun in the evening is paid by less sun in the morning. When they finally realize it, they will be demanding a return to the compromise system that we have today that actually works pretty damn well. Of all the shite we need to worry about I do not understand how this ended up on politician's radar.
We should just keep the current system. That being said, if they absolutely have to choose one over the other, DST is superior.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 10:15 am to Horsemeat
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I have a feeling this will only last a year or two until cities up against the western edges of the time zones like Atlanta, Cleveland/Columbus, Louisville, Amarillo, Lubbock, Salt Lake, and all along the west coast will start screaming about that again.
Those of us living on the eastern edge of time ones have been dealing with this forever. It's time the western-edge cities get their share of shite winter light. Pick-up time would be dark in my location whether we had CST or CDT. At least now I get some light in the evening.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 10:15 am to Tiger985
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The population is ignorant. They do not understand the extra sun in the evening is paid by less sun in the morning.
sounds like you are the ignorant one. Proponents of this want more daylight in the evening. They accept the later sunrise. its not difficult to understand.
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Of all the shite we need to worry about I do not understand how this ended up on politician's radar
states have been trying to opt out of the "time change" for decades. This is low hanging fruit for a Congress that isn't willing to address bigger issues. Again, not that hard to figure out.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 10:22 am to stout
Had Google AI make this map. Anyone feel free to fact check it.
Edit: Map was inaccurate, AI disappoints me -- here's accurate data in spreadsheet format.
Current ST vs. permanent DST
Current DST vs. permanent ST (for those people who complain about their circadian rhythms at the start of DST every year. Those late sunrises at the beginning of DST don't last that long.
Edit: Map was inaccurate, AI disappoints me -- here's accurate data in spreadsheet format.
Current ST vs. permanent DST
Current DST vs. permanent ST (for those people who complain about their circadian rhythms at the start of DST every year. Those late sunrises at the beginning of DST don't last that long.
This post was edited on 7/15/26 at 11:37 am
Posted on 7/15/26 at 10:24 am to reauxl tigers
No shot that is correct. I believe that would be if standard time is observed year round
ETA; see you changed it to standard time
And I don’t think that is right. I think the earliest a New Orleans sunset would be is 5pm under standard time . The entire map is off by 1 hour
ETA; see you changed it to standard time
And I don’t think that is right. I think the earliest a New Orleans sunset would be is 5pm under standard time . The entire map is off by 1 hour
This post was edited on 7/15/26 at 10:26 am
Posted on 7/15/26 at 10:25 am to slidingstop
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states have been trying to opt out of the "time change" for decades. This is low hanging fruit for a Congress that isn't willing to address bigger issues. Again, not that hard to figure out.
Yet it doesn't get done. Can you think of any reason why? Just look at this thread. Yes, it seems people would prefer one system but they are pretty equally split between DST and ST.
Which is why we have the perfectly fine system we have today.
I predict it's going to stay that way and I can assure you I'm not the ignorant one.
Hit the street and ask 10 randoms what they know about this. 50% probably can't read a face clock.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 10:32 am to lsupride87
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And I don’t think that is right. I think the earliest a New Orleans sunset would be is 5pm under standard time . The entire map is off by 1 hour
AI resorts to the peak winter since you ask it for the earliest so it is talking about a few weeks in January
Posted on 7/15/26 at 10:32 am to stout
It’s still wrong. There would never be a 4pm sunset in New Orleans or a 3:30 sunset in Boston
We currently do standard time in the winter and never see those sunset times …..
We currently do standard time in the winter and never see those sunset times …..
This post was edited on 7/15/26 at 10:35 am
Posted on 7/15/26 at 10:36 am to stout
So, it will still be dark at 9:00 AM in North Dakota….that is pretty shocking!
Posted on 7/15/26 at 10:37 am to Tiger985
quote:
DST is superior.
standard time would suck arse in the summer down south. You want it to be well into the 90s at 7am?
Posted on 7/15/26 at 10:37 am to Dire Wolf
This is the accurate map
Posted on 7/15/26 at 10:51 am to stout
Man I'm all for it, but can you imagine a 9:30 sunrise??
Posted on 7/15/26 at 11:01 am to stout
Good I can sleep later before hunts
Posted on 7/15/26 at 11:02 am to Tiger985
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I predict it's going to stay that way and I can assure you I'm not the ignorant one.
probably so, the upside and downside are too regional. The fix is let states decide but as it as now states can only choose the switch or standard time
I find the standard time year round argument terrible. Mostly because it would be terrible for everyone along i-20 and south. Also because the circadian rhythm arguement is lost on me since nothing about the american schedule is based on a decent circadian rhythm
The key in American parenting life is to find a job that pays well and is flexible with your time if you are full arse in the seat 8-5, you are screwed no matter what time we are on.
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