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Many Ivy League freshmen have never read a book

Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:11 am
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
10248 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:11 am
They're not sending their best…



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Nicholas Dames has taught Literature Humanities, Columbia University’s required great-books course, since 1998. He loves the job, but it has changed. Over the past decade, students have become overwhelmed by the reading. College kids have never read everything they’re assigned, of course, but this feels different. Dames’s students now seem bewildered by the thought of finishing multiple books a semester. His colleagues have noticed the same problem. Many students no longer arrive at college—even at highly selective, elite colleges—prepared to read books. This development puzzled Dames until one day during the fall 2022 semester, when a first-year student came to his office hours to share how challenging she had found the early assignments. Lit Hum often requires students to read a book, sometimes a very long and dense one, in just a week or two. But the student told Dames that, at her public high school, she had never been required to read an entire book. She had been assigned excerpts, poetry, and news articles, but not a single book cover to cover. “My jaw dropped,” Dames told me. The anecdote helped explain the change he was seeing in his students: It’s not that they don’t want to do the reading. It’s that they don’t know how. Middle and high schools have stopped asking them to.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
40310 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:14 am to
i'll admit, the only books I read all the way through for school were The Great Gatsby,Catcher in the rye and Frankenstein

Frankenstein and Catcher were so gay that it turned me off of any white women's recommendation so I went to sparknotes

I might have gotten Cs but i graduated
This post was edited on 10/2/24 at 11:08 am
Posted by wileyjones
Member since May 2014
2716 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:18 am to
tiktok and snapchat have screwed up their attention span
Posted by TexasTiger89
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2005
26769 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:19 am to
Your American education system at work folks.
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
10248 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:22 am to
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tiktok and snapchat have screwed up their attention span


I think this is a huge part of it. One prof said his students cant even concentrate on a single sonnet, let alone a whole poem.
Posted by OWLFAN86
Erotic Novelist
Member since Jun 2004
196432 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:24 am to
we need to return to traditional Western education standards

it created empires. created untold wealth that changed society for the better, the arts,, the Knowledge directly from the creator and the author and the founder of great movements good and bad their words are all in one place

unedited for the reader to learn without indoctrination
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42246 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:26 am to
Kids should have to read multiple books per year, every year of school.

CSB time

I have a young child (elementary school) that is not getting A’s in his reading class. He can read and he’s got a great memory so I was concerned about his ability to comprehend what he’s reading, so I decided to read the book he was assigned.

The book sucks. It’s uninteresting discussion about a school girl and her feelings about being forced to learn a skill she doesn’t think she has to learn. The book was boring as nothing of note ever happened outside of how the main character felt.

I’m not complaining to the teacher or school because in life, sometimes you have to read stuff that bores you and you don’t want to read, but I’m an adult. This is a 3rd grader. For the love of God find stories that are interesting and instill desire in children to want to read.
Posted by shmashmortion
Member since Feb 2011
502 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:26 am to
Take an adderall and fight the urge to masturbate.That book will practically read itself. Rookie arse kids these days.
Posted by terriblegreen
Souf Badden Rewage
Member since Aug 2011
12281 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:27 am to
Abolish department of education
Posted by OldmanBeasley
Charlotte
Member since Jun 2014
11166 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:30 am to
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t’s not that they don’t want to do the reading. It’s that they don’t know how.

What a ridiculous statement. There’s no secret strategy to reading a book, you just read the fricking pages.
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
12827 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:31 am to
Just read the cliff notes, "smart" ivy leaguer.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
32835 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:33 am to
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Many Ivy League freshmen have never read a book

I actually just finished reading this article before I saw the thread. It’s not an Ivy League issue; it’s an utterly systemic issue. The numbers in this paragraph are frightening:

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Failing to complete a 14-line poem without succumbing to distraction suggests one familiar explanation for the decline in reading aptitude: smartphones. Teenagers are constantly tempted by their devices, which inhibits their preparation for the rigors of college coursework—then they get to college, and the distractions keep flowing. “It’s changed expectations about what’s worthy of attention,” Daniel Willingham, a psychologist at UVA, told me. “Being bored has become unnatural.” Reading books, even for pleasure, can’t compete with TikTok, Instagram, YouTube. In 1976, about 40 percent of high-school seniors said they had read at least six books for fun in the previous year, compared with 11.5 percent who hadn’t read any. By 2022, those percentages had flipped.
Posted by cdhorn28
Member since Sep 2016
776 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:35 am to
Think the last one I "read" was Hatchet and Brian's Winter, did love those books though.
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
43108 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:37 am to
First, its ironic when you go to the article there is a link to listen to it rather than read it.

Second, the aurthor of the article starts refuting his sensational headline and opening statement the further he gets and states that most HS students read books.
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
23889 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:39 am to

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Middle and high schools have stopped teaching them how

Nobody ever taught me how to read a whole book. I was taught to read, then I read books.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110887 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:41 am to
quote:

I actually just finished reading this article before I saw the thread. It’s not an Ivy League issue; it’s an utterly systemic issue. The numbers in this paragraph are frightening:



I mean, of course. I didn't look at this title and think they were necessarily pointing out an "Ivy League issue" inasmuch as thinking it was highlighting them (the supposed elite of the elite) to point out how bad this issue really is across the board.

If it's that bad at THESE SCHOOLS...
Posted by ElderTiger
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2010
7779 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:42 am to
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Abolish department of education


Here’s a big part of the problem right here. The last I looked, the Department of Education has a budget of over $70 billion dollars. All it has done is hire people to come up with stupid ideas on how to “ educate “ our kids.
When his final chapter is written, the Jimmy Carter administration will be one of the worst, in large part due to his creation of the Departments of Education and Energy !
This post was edited on 10/2/24 at 8:15 pm
Posted by DmitriKaramazov
Member since Nov 2015
5635 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:44 am to
I grow more convinced by the hour that we are living in America's most ignorant age. The advent of ubiquitous social media and apocryphal misinformation have apparently stunted the minds of our citizenry. Many people don't read books at all, or even credible periodicals (to the extent that they still exist). They instead turn to to the most dubious, partisan, unqualified sources imaginable for news and learning. An appreciable portion of young people now seek their news from TikTok. fricking TikTok. I read (in The Economist) about a survey of people ages 19-24. Nearly fifty percent either doubted that the Holocaust occurred or thought that they needed more information before they could agree it occurred. What...the...frick? As far as I can tell, many people now simply blindly parrot and repeat political and social talking points they see on Instagram or Facebook with no independent analysis or thought. They don't even try to acquire knowledge for themselves. It's all insane.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
56840 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:44 am to
I wonder if we'll ever get a movement from young folks that reject social media and smart phones.
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
19932 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:46 am to
I still enjoy a lovely reading selection out of penthouse forum.

While taking a poop, it’s a good time to read about how his throbbing members plunged deep into her pulsating birthing canal.
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