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re: Many Ivy League freshmen have never read a book

Posted on 10/2/24 at 6:00 pm to
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37983 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 6:00 pm to
Huh? So you didn’t take English, 3-4 humanities, 3-4 life sciences??
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
35492 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 6:03 pm to
Imagine being an Ivy League student and going to your teacher to explain how you can’t read a book, rather than just reading cliff notes and faking it.
Posted by Bama and Beer
Baldwin Co, AL
Member since Oct 2010
85512 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 6:06 pm to
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I have a young child (elementary school) that is not getting A’s in his reading class. He can read and he’s got a great memory so I was concerned about his ability to comprehend what he’s reading, so I decided to read the book he was assigned.

The book sucks. It’s uninteresting discussion about a school girl and her feelings about being forced to learn a skill she doesn’t think she has to learn. The book was boring as nothing of note ever happened outside of how the main character felt.

I’m not complaining to the teacher or school because in life, sometimes you have to read stuff that bores you and you don’t want to read, but I’m an adult. This is a 3rd grader. For the love of God find stories that are interesting and instill desire in children to want to read
They need more books in the schools like Hatchet



I read it again a few years ago and was still entertained and learned

Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired - 31 years
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 10/2/24 at 6:09 pm to
I only read the OT.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
107974 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 6:14 pm to
Get rid of the standardized testing racket and you’ll get back to kids reading actual full books.

It isn’t surprising that kids are doing what we’ve taught them to. Primarily reading excerpts and short stories in order to cram in all of the concepts that a kid will be tested on at the end of the year was eventually going to cause issues like this.

And I’m sure the introduction of things like AI, which kids will lean on to avoid reading further, will make this worse.
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
23913 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 6:17 pm to
All of our kids got books when they were young, took monthly trips to the library, and saw us reading as well
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
35874 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 6:48 pm to
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need to return to traditional Western education standards

it created empires. created untold wealth that changed society for the better, the arts,, the Knowledge directly from the creator and the author and the founder of great movements good and bad their words are all in one place

unedited for the reader to learn without indoctrination



Middle class kids would not be going to college, or even high school.



They would be put into apprenticeship after middle school, usually in the same field as their fathers or conscripted.

Education for all was started with Grant's Presidency in 1876.
This post was edited on 10/2/24 at 6:49 pm
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
38331 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 6:59 pm to
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Imagine being an Ivy League student and going to your teacher to explain how you can’t read a book, rather than just reading cliff notes and faking it.


I’d bet a bunch of them have their parents email or call the professors landline to explain it

The students can’t even and need Xanax to cope with the anxiety
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
73332 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 9:05 pm to
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You are wrong

You said reading entire books puts you at risk of falling behind in school. No. I’m not wrong. That is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
80811 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 9:07 pm to
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think this is a huge part of it. One prof said his students cant even concentrate on a single sonnet,


I can't concentrate on Sonnet either.

Morgan or Ertz on the other hand....
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
35874 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:51 pm to
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school reading entire books can put you at a major risk of falling behind. You can spend weeks reading a book of literature and if you interpret the writings wrong on your book report you make a worse grade than someone who didn't read the book and used cliff notes. Also, you may read entire chapters and miss what the pop quiz might ask because you don't remember it. However, all of the important material would be in the cliff notes anyway.



So frick getting educated, just learn enough to pass the test?


That's the problem with kids and the education system these days: they don't care about educating just know enough to pass a one time test then throw that knowledge away.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476555 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:58 pm to
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There’s no secret strategy to reading a book, you just read the fricking pages.


If you're only reading the surface level



That's a book that should be taught in high school
Posted by tigersownall
Thibodaux
Member since Sep 2011
16994 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:12 pm to
What. Reading an entire book is like 2nd grade level shite
Posted by tigersownall
Thibodaux
Member since Sep 2011
16994 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:13 pm to
Says no good English teacher ever
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
177279 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:16 pm to
Music is more important than reading. The only books I read the whole way through in high school out of the dozens assigned were the Hobbit, Great Expectations, and Lord of the Flies and made a 36 on the English part of the ACT. Csb
Posted by Jay Are
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
6122 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:29 pm to
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but going to college just to have a book assigned to read and give a report on is dumb AF.


Sure doesn't sound like college. I had to read plenty. I haven't been assigned a book report since 7th grade.
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