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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/9/22 at 6:01 pm to
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 5/9/22 at 6:01 pm to
Pentagon assessment of current situation. Basically minimal progress by Russia.

Senior Defense Official Holds a Background Briefing

Posted by Moot Point
Georgia
Member since Feb 2009
235 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 6:17 pm to
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Actually at Yalta in early Feb. of 1945 Roosevelt, Stalin and Churchill agreed to the partitioning of Germany and the fate of Eastern Europe. The armies didn’t set the borders, the politicians did.
There was a race to get the best scientists.


There was no agreement on the "fate" of Eastern Europe in the way you imply. Also, Germany was divided into occupation zones to be administered by U.S., British, French, and Soviet forces, not with the intent to partition the nation. The understanding with Stalin was that there would be free elections held as soon as possible in the liberated countries to choose governments responsive to will of the people.

The Soviets would not allow free elections in the countries they occupied in Eastern Europe. They suppressed any non-communist parties and ensured they would all have communist governments that would be subservient to the Soviet Union.
The Poles especially got screwed considering they had already had a government in exile for the entire war waiting and continuing the fight from London.

Despite Stalin breaking his word, nobody in the Western democracies was prepared to escalate matters into setting off WW III.

The Russian playbook is still to lie, then lie some more to get an advantage, and then break your agreements and still do what you want.
Surprised that anyone familiar with the history of the last 100 years would still give credence to anything coming out of Moscow.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4693 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 6:27 pm to
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You can't dispute the advances based on those maps. The institute for the study of war is an American source as well; so, it's not like we're talking about a pro Russia source here. This is about as pro American as a source as you can get. If they're acknowledging Russian advances then you better believe it's the real deal.


I think you missed the point there


It's that the Russian advances have been minimal at best
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 6:32 pm to
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Surprised that anyone familiar with the history of the last 100 years would still give credence to anything coming out of Moscow.



But they are fighting globalism...
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12866 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 6:38 pm to
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We don't have openly state run media, nor has any opposition parties been banned.

Communist Control Act of 1954
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The Communist Control Act of 1954 (68 Stat. 775, 50 U.S.C. 841-844) is an American law signed by President Dwight Eisenhower on 24 August 1954 that outlaws the Communist Party of the United States and criminalizes membership in or support for the party or "Communist-action" organizations and defines evidence to be considered by a jury in determining participation in the activities, planning, actions, objectives, or purposes of such organizations.

Sometimes the folks labeled as foreign agents are actually foreign agents. Imagine what we would have done to Soviet-backed parties in the US back then if the USSR had been actively invading the United States.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42850 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 6:51 pm to
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There was no agreement on the "fate" of Eastern Europe in the way you imply.

Yes, it was a poor choice of words. There was an agreement on what would happen in Eastern Europe that the west wasn’t prepared to enforce. Sort of like our treaty that ended the Vietnam war and the Versailles Treaty.

My point was the politicians settled things and not the armies.

And anyone that believes Russia is truthful or won’t hesitate to take advantage of every situation to increase their powers is crazy.
This post was edited on 5/9/22 at 7:37 pm
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4693 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 7:09 pm to
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??#Russia is going to withdraw its ambassador from #Poland and expel the #Polish ambassador from the country.

Let the ambassador wash himself first, otherwise he has something with his face.


From Nexta_TV. In response to the Russian ambassador getting dosed in red paint while trying to lay flowers in Warsaw
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4693 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 7:15 pm to
From ISW today...the part about Kherson, to me, makes it seem like Russia knows they don't have a solid hold there and the population won't play along

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Russian authorities are likely setting conditions to integrate occupied Ukrainian territories directly into Russia, as opposed to creating proxy “People’s Republics.” The Kherson occupation Deputy Chairman of Military Civil Administration Kirill Stremousov stated on May 9 that the Kherson region intends to become part of Russia and that Kherson authorities do not intend to hold a referendum to create an independent republic.[9] Spokesperson for the Ukrainian Defense Ministry Oleksandr Motuzyanyk reported that Russian occupation authorities are intensifying reconnaissance measures and increasing checkpoints and patrols in occupied areas in order to prepare to integrate these regions directly into Russia.[10] Motuzyanyk noted that Russian and Crimean groups have been arriving to occupied regions to intensify propaganda measures to prepare for integration. ISW will publish our assessment of the Kremlin’s most likely course of actions towards their occupied territories in Ukraine in the coming days.
Key Takeaways

Russian forces did not make any confirmed advances to the southeast or southwest of Izyum on May 9 but are likely attempting to concentrate the forces necessary to resume offensive operations in the coming days.

Russian forces made marginal gains around Severodonetsk in the past 24 hours.

Russian forces are likely continuing to amass troops in Belgorod Oblast to stop Ukrainian counterattacks around Kharkiv City from reaching the Ukrainian-Russian border.

Russian units in Zaporizhia Oblast are regrouping and will likely receive reinforcements from forces previously deployed in Mariupol.

The Kremlin continues to face severe force mobilization challenges, and ongoing “covert mobilization” efforts are unlikely to generate substantial combat power.

Russian authorities are likely setting conditions to integrate occupied Ukrainian territories directly into Russia, as opposed to creating proxy “People’s Republics.”


Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
10514 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 7:27 pm to
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It's that the Russian advances have been minimal at best


They’re still advancing and getting closer to encircling sloviansk.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 7:27 pm to
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Which in itself is a method of Russian propaganda seeing how it was a literal race to Berlin from both sides not wanting the other there first to establish control and to hide the atrocities of the red army east of Berlin.


We divided Europe at Yalta.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 7:30 pm to
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Lenin’s communism never took root in Russia. Instead, totaliarianism became the norm. It exists to this day. Putin and the Oligarchs have done to Russia and its military exactly what all the Russian dictators did over the 20th century, plunder.


I think the structure of the Russian government is effectively the same, from the Tsarist period, to the Soviet era, to now. What changed were the people in charge.
Posted by Mr Happy
Member since May 2019
2761 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 8:01 pm to
Ukraine Spoils Vlad's Parade - The Economist
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But while the world waited to hear what Mr Putin would say, Volodymyr Zelensky, Ukraine’s president, managed to upstage him. Mr Zelensky, a former actor and pitch-perfect communicator, orchestrated a day-long political show of resistance and solidarity. Justin Trudeau, Canada’s prime minister, arrived in Kyiv, where he participated in an online meeting of the G7 with Mr Zelensky as the guest of honour. The group issued a statement declaring its resolve that “President Putin must not win his war against Ukraine”, saying they owed it to “the memory of all those who fought for freedom in the second world war.”
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Ukraine’s counter-attacks will have limits. Its army is unlikely to reverse all of Russia’s territorial gains since February 24th, something that Mr Zelensky described on May 6th as a prerequisite for negotiations. But there is every chance Ukraine can grind Russian forces to a bloody halt, as it did north of Kyiv in February and March. Mr Putin is now unlikely to be able to take the entirety of the Donbas, let alone restore Russia’s control over what it calls Novorossiya, the region stretching along the Black and Azov seas. That is an unambiguous strategic defeat.

Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45821 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 8:44 pm to
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Russia is making gains everywhere on the frontlines in Southeast Ukraine.



Da. If Russia can keep up it's steady progress then it should be able to encircle and Sloviansk in another 3 weeks. Then another 4 weeks to link up with the troops advancing from Popasna. Do not lose faith comrade we will encircle the fascists Ukrainians yet. There is no way that the force of Mother Russia can be slowed down. 7 weeks is a short time and there is no way the fascists will be able to react to our advances. The only way the corrupt Ukrainian fascist forces will be able to stop our advance is if they are able to listen in on our communications and be provided live satellite intel from the west or have multiple TB2s monitoring the front.

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barring a turn of events.


It would take counterattack north of the 2nd largest city in Ukraine and have pushed Russian forces 48 kms in less than a week which is almost as far as the mighty Russian army has advanced over the last month! The arrival of western artillery and advanced equipment like suicide drones might make such a turn of events possible, but rest assured comrade. The ultra-precise Russian missiles and the mighty Russian air force have destroyed the road and rail connections between NATO and Ukraine. Plus the grand chess master Putin has intimidated the West and they might promise to weapons to Ukraine but they will never deliver them. The honor and glory of Mother Russia will be restored. Keep faith comrades, the downfall of the liberal globalist order is coming. Soon the corrupt west will falter and Russia will overcome NATO. When that happens the three barred cross will be raised over the Hagia Sophie in Constantinople and Moscow will finally take its rightful place as the third Rome and Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality will rule the world!
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 11:30 am
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
33074 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 9:10 pm to
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WeeWee




I may be a few glasses of wine in, but I enjoyed the shite out of your post
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8198 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 9:16 pm to
When Ukraine pushes Russia back to the border north of Kharkiv, Belgorod will be in artillery range. Belgorod is the Russians' primary staging, supply, and refitting area. It is within range of the Excalibur, M549 rounds, and the Switchblade drones.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45821 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 9:30 pm to
Just kidding. They problem with, Stidham’s and LW’s points is that Russia is advancing too slowly. Russia had a limited window to exploit it's technical superiority over Ukraine. Western tech has started arriving and being deployed to the front in Ukraine. Ukraine's air force is repairing planes and now has more fighters than it did at the start of the war. Ukraine is also repairing and redeploying the captured Russian equipment. Russia has lost the race to conquer the Donbas before Ukraine could reequip itself. Not to mention that the current Ukrainian counteroffensive in the Kharkiv region has the spearhead of the Ukrainian advance closer to Velykyi Burluk (which is the where Russia's line of communications in the Donbas merge) than the Russian spearhead is to Sloviansk. So the turn of events that Stidham mentioned is already underway.
This post was edited on 5/9/22 at 10:13 pm
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11918 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 10:04 pm to
Agree with all this and will add that while Ukraine's resupply will be with NATO upgrades, Russia's resupply will be with their older, inferior equipment (they had their best stuff in the initial invasion force). They're blowing up bridges on their way back to the Russian border around Kharkiv, which doesn't say much for their intentions of coming back to the area.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45821 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 10:19 pm to
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When Ukraine pushes Russia back to the border north of Kharkiv, Belgorod will be in artillery range. Belgorod is the Russians' primary staging, supply, and refitting area. It is within range of the Excalibur, M549 rounds, and the Switchblade drones.


I don’t think that Ukraine will be stupid enough to give Russia that PR opportunity. Even if Ukraine targets only military targets there will be a few rounds that miss. Plus Russia will shell its own city at the same time as Ukraine is shelling it and use the footage to say that they Rodina is under attack and galvanize their population against Ukraine.

Ukraine would be better off to sit back and destroy the roads and railroads on the Ukrainian side of the border to force a backup of supplies then send in their US trained special forces to sabotage stuff in Belgorod.
Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
10514 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 10:45 pm to
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Just kidding. They problem with, Stidham’s and LW’s points is that Russia is advancing too slowly. Russia had a limited window to exploit it's technical superiority over Ukraine.


Advancing too slowly? Haha OK internet general.

When they’ve got Sloviansk encircled what will it matter how long it took? Their strategy to focus on the southeast portion of the country appears to be working.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8198 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 10:46 pm to
You are probably right, do you have any idea where the staging areas are around Belgorod? I wonder if they are outside the city?
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