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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/9/22 at 10:37 am to
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 10:37 am to
If I'm being honest thats pretty lame. And Vlad doesnt look good.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61754 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 10:38 am to
It’s sad that we have a lot of people in this country and in the politard board that believe this crap Russia puts out.
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22598 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 10:40 am to
The fate of a big chunk of the world is currently in the hands of Vlad and sleepy joe… not exactly reassuring.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 10:42 am to
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It’s really an honor to die in Ukraine because everyone should die in Ukraine. Your great grandfather probably died in Ukraine and you should carry on the tradition of dying in Ukraine at the behest of a complete fricking tool.


One of the things I genuinely despise about modern people, like you, is your hatred of honor.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45821 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 10:43 am to
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Define what you call major?


A significant advance that threatens to trap the enemy forces before they have time to disengage. For example, during the left hook in the Gulf War the US VII Corps travelled 249 km in 24 hours and got behind the Iraqi army. This forced the Iraqi's to have to break off fighting the coalition forces and abandon Kuwait.

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As I said, they are encircling UA troops.


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It is evident Russia is making ground in Southern Donbas region and with this encirclement


Is Russia making ground in the southern donbas region? Lets look at the maps and see.

04/08/2022:


05/08/2022:


Ok they have made a little progress. They have advanced approximately 50 kms in 30 days. If this is an encirclement then it is one of the slowest encirclements in modern military history. The Russian pincers in Popasna and Rubizhne are still approximately 60 kms away from each other. The Russian pincers in Popasna and Izyum are 120 kms away from each other. So Russia is still approximately 6 weeks away from encircling Severdonetsk (for comparison Russia encircled Mariupol in 10 days) and two and half months away from their goal of encircling the Ukrainian Army in eastern Ukraine. Russia is not going to trap anything if it takes them 2 and half months to do it.

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I've put no timelines on this conflict like the media has.


That is because you are talking out of your arse.

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However, unless Ukraine receives massive amounts of not just aid, but troops, it will be death by 1000 cuts.


You do realize that Ukraine has already called 250,000 - 500,000 reservists (again sources vary on the number). Ukraine has a total reserve force of 900,000 troops who have already gone through basic training and served their 2 years in the military. Ukraine also has approximately 11 million MAMs (military aged males) available and fit for conscription and NATO is training those troops just like it has trained the Ukrainian armed forces. So it will have plenty of replacement troops available.

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This is likely to last years.


It is possible. In that case, Ukraine has the advantage because they have access to the factories and economic lifelines of the US and the EU. Russia on the other hand cannot afford to pay its soldiers, compensate their families, and that is eventually going to cause massive problems inside Russia. Plus Russia cannot acquire enough parts to build its latest and best military tech or upgrade their massive stockpiles of cold-war era equipment. If Russia tries a mass mobilization and sends conscripts to war with minimal training in hopes of overwhelming the Ukrainians then they are going to get slaughtered. Russia's cold-way era stockpiles of armor might be impressive on paper but as we have seen over the last 2 months cold-war era tanks can be destroyed by 2 - 3 soldiers equipped with modern ATGMs.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45821 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 10:46 am to
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One of the things I genuinely despise about modern people, like you, is your hatred of honor.



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Lima Whiskey



You talk about honor but like a dictator who is a former KGB agent whose nation openly lied to the world while troops were crossing the borders. There is no honor in Putin's Russia.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
73452 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 10:46 am to
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"We know that American veterans who wanted to attend the parade in Moscow were practically barred from doing so. But I want them to know: we are proud of your exploits, your contribution to the common victory."

"We honour all the soldiers of the allied armies – the Americans, the British, the French, the participants in the Resistance and the partisans of China – all those who defeated Nazism and militarism."


I’m a pretty big World War II history enthusiast, and tend to think I’m up on most things related to the subject. However, I can’t imagine that there are very many American veterans that have ever attended the Victory Day celebrations in Moscow. While May 8/9 is a celebrated day for the Allies. It never had the meaning that June 6th has for the ETO or August 15 in the PTO. But maybe I’m missing something here.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 11:00 am to
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But maybe I’m missing something here.



I assume we sent a small contingent to take part in the past? At the very least, I expect the ambassadors would have appeared, and laid a wreath somewhere.


After the war, the Soviets built a massive statue at Victory Park , depicting a soldier of each of the allied armies. It’s the victors coming home.

A Soviet soldier is at the front, hand raised in greeting, with an American GI next to him. In a second row, are a British and French soldier.

It shows you how the Soviets understood the war. They gave us equal billing in how they saw it.

The war became the unifying mythology of the Soviet Union, and the one thing that could bind them together. Communism couldn’t, and didn’t.

For modern Russians, Communism is thankfully gone, but the war remains the good war, and a unifying idea.

I’m guessing the Russians see the war as a way to make a connection with the West too, because we were allies, and we did fight the for the same cause. It doesn’t work though. Because we don’t see ourselves standing on that pediment, next to the Soviet soldier.
This post was edited on 5/9/22 at 11:01 am
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45821 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 11:03 am to
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India and China are not going to be on the same team boss. Yet, they both are standing behind who?


They are standing on the sideline with the exception of buying Russian O&G for less than market prices. Which is not really helping Russia.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45821 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 11:09 am to
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Fair enough. So it sounds like victory day was a big nothingburger.


Russia needed a major victory in order for it to not be a nothingburger. Russia has not achieved that victory so they are left with trying to put lipstick on a pig.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46575 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 11:24 am to
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It doesn’t work though. Because we don’t see ourselves standing on that pediment, next to the Soviet soldier.




horseshite. We were conducting cooperation exercises with Russia not long after the Soviet Union fell. The Russia-NATO council was formed in 2002 for this very reason.

But that was all before Putin become a de facto dictator in Russia, and the Russia-NATO council ceased to exist in 2014. I'll let you figure out why on that particular year.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
24871 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 11:31 am to
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Yet, they both are standing behind who?

China is the reason why India’s most hated rival Pakistan has nukes. They also have numerous border disputes and actual fights with China. It’s also a certainty China is spying on India like they do the US.

Just because India has some dealings with Russia doesn’t mean they’re going to put aside their hatred of China because the two are associated with Russia. Even China hasn’t been in full support of Russia over this invasion
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 12:13 pm to
India and China are buying oil from Russia(and paying for it in greenbacks) at about 50% of the market rate. I'm not even mad.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4693 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 12:17 pm to
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India and China are buying oil from Russia(and paying for it in greenbacks) at about 50% of the market rate. I'm not even m


I think india is also making them include shipping in the price
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 12:21 pm to
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horseshite. We were conducting cooperation exercises with Russia not long after the Soviet Union fell. The Russia-NATO council was formed in 2002 for this very reason.


I am very specific with my language, for a reason.

We do not see Russia as part of our WW2 mythology.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 5/9/22 at 12:26 pm to
LINK

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Of late, Chinese military observers have been increasingly concerned about the potential of SpaceX’s Starlink satellite network in helping the US military dominate space, especially so, in the wake of the Ukraine war, where Elon Musk activated Starlink satellites to restore communications that had stopped because of shelling by the Russian troops.

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We use Starlink equipment and connect the drone team with our artillery team,” an officer with the Ukrainian aerial reconnaissance unit, Aerorozvidka told The Times. “If we use a drone with thermal vision at night, the drone must connect through Starlink to the artillery guy and create target acquisition,” the officer said.


Sorry if Germans
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42853 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 12:37 pm to
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We do not see Russia as part of our WW2 mythology.


Russia began their involvement in WW2 by cutting a deal with Germany to carve up Poland and by attacking Finland and the Baltic states.
They didn’t come to help France or England. Only when Germany attacked them did they ally themselves with the west.
This post was edited on 5/9/22 at 1:53 pm
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4693 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 12:48 pm to
LINK

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Russian President Vladimir Putin will hold a meeting regarding dozens of destructive fires in a number of regions all across Russia on May 10, the Kremlin press service reported
Posted by Mr Happy
Member since May 2019
2761 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 1:11 pm to
The Biggest Reason Russia’s Military Is Struggling- from the Atlantic
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Airpower should have been one of Russia’s greatest advantages over Ukraine. With almost 4,000 combat aircraft and extensive experience bombing targets in Syria, Georgia, and Chechnya, Russia’s air force was expected to play a vital role in the invasion, allowing the Russian army to plunge deep into Ukraine, seize Kyiv, and destroy the Ukrainian military. But more than two months into the war, Vladimir Putin’s air force is still fighting for control of the skies.
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Unfortunately for the Russians, the recent modernization of the Russian air force, although intended to enable it to conduct modern combined operations, was mostly for show. The Russians wasted money and effort on corruption and inefficiency. Though much was made of the flashy new equipment, such as the much-hyped SU-34 strike aircraft, the Russian air force continues to suffer from flawed logistics operations and the lack of regular, realistic training. Above all, the autocratic Russian kleptocracy does not trust low-ranking and middle-ranking officers, and so cannot allow the imaginative, flexible decision making that NATO air forces rely upon.
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Of course, the most important reason for the failure of Russian airpower, and the evident caution of Russian pilots, has been Ukrainian opposition. Unlike their enemy, the Ukrainians have developed a coherent concept of air operations, one that has allowed them to block what looked like an easy path to Russian air dominance.
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This inventive use of airpower reveals that the Ukrainians might even have a more sophisticated understanding of air operations than even many NATO countries, which take their dominance of the air for granted. What the Ukrainians have done—contesting the skies against a richer, more powerful enemy on the cheap—is extremely difficult.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
75495 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 1:52 pm to
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Russian President Vladimir Putin will hold a meeting regarding dozens of destructive fires in a number of regions all across Russia on May 10, the Kremlin press service reported

We will soon see a Presidential edict outlawing fire.

The penalty will be death by [redacted] squad.
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