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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/9/22 at 10:55 pm to
Posted by Stidham8
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Posted on 5/9/22 at 10:55 pm to
Updated May 9th map compared to May 8th. The Russians appear to be making progress west of Rubizhne and are taking Bilohorvika.





Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 5/9/22 at 11:01 pm to
It appears that Russia is attempting to encircle the Ukraine forces in the Sieverdonetsk region via Popasna from the South and Bilohorvika from the North. This will be a major blow to Ukraine if successful.

This post was edited on 5/9/22 at 11:03 pm
Posted by Sooner5030
Desert Southwest
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 5/9/22 at 11:42 pm to
quote:

Advancing too slowly? Haha OK internet general.


dude...it took them 70 days to "take" Mariupol...which is only 55 km from the russian border and is along the Sea of Azov. 70 days for that low hanging fruit lol
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 12:40 am to
quote:

dude...it took them 70 days to "take" Mariupol...which is only 55 km from the russian border and is along the Sea of Azov. 70 days for that low hanging fruit lol



You just don't understand 10-D chess.


Putin is so far ahead of the rest of the world, he's re-writing what it means to be Machiavellian.
Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 12:58 am to
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dude...it took them 70 days to "take" Mariupol...which is only 55 km from the russian border and is along the Sea of Azov. 70 days for that low hanging fruit lol


Ukraine has a lot of great Western weaponry and have mobilized their entire country. They're still going to lose.

This isn't like 2003 shock and awe in Iraq where one side was clearly vastly inferior from a technologic standpoint. Russia isn't near the military power the US is/was and Ukraine has weapons well beyond what Iraq had.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:35 am to
quote:

dude...it took them 70 days to "take" Mariupol...which is only 55 km from the russian border and is along the Sea of Azov. 70 days for that low hanging fruit lol



The Russians attacked Mariupol with a numerically inferior force.

The Ukrainians had more men than they did. Somewhere between 15k and 20k in total.

Not many of those men survived the battle either.

The Russians claim 2500 prisoners, IIRC, and there were allegedly 2,000 men in Azovstal. Some of the Ukrainians slipped out of the city, but, putting aside the men in the foundry, it means the Russians killed somewhere between 10,000 and 15,000 men in Mariupol.
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 1:45 am
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 2:12 am to
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This isn't like 2003 shock and awe in Iraq where one side was clearly vastly inferior from a technologic standpoint.




Uh.....




I believe that's exactly what this is resembling.


But this time, it's the invaders who are inferior.




If you haven't realised how much more superior the NATO equipment that is being supplied is to the Russian equipment, then you must be ignoring everything that goes against what you want reality to be.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 3:14 am to
Ukraine holds its own victory day parade.

The main attraction? Captured Russian tanks -

LINK

Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
3208 posts
Posted on 5/10/22 at 4:01 am to
Fairly interesting report from 2019 studying Putin's worldview in ISW.

ISW 28 Page PDF

Executive Summary:

quote:

The Kremlin’s increasingly assertive foreign policy, including its illegal occupation
of Crimea in 2014 and its intervention in Syria in 2015, came unexpectedly to many
in the West. These events were nonetheless mere extensions of the worldview held by
Russian President Vladimir Putin. This worldview was built on more than two decades of
compounded dissatisfaction with the West as well as Putin’s cumulative experiences in his
ongoing global campaigns to achieve his core objectives: the preservation of his regime,
the end of American hegemony, and the reinstatement of Russia as a global power. Some
of these ambitions were tamed, and others expedited, by external events, yet their core has
remained the same and often at odds with the West. The U.S. believed that a brief period
of non-assertive foreign policy from the mid-1980s to mid-1990s had become the new
norm for Russia. This period was not the norm but an anomaly. Putin’s foreign policy has
always been assertive, similar to Russia’s historic foreign policy. The U.S. may thus find
itself once again surprised by Putin. This paper examines the evolution of Russia’s foreign
policy worldview since the collapse of the Soviet Union to help understand the likely next
priorities of the Kremlin.


From The Conclusion:

quote:

The West’s behavior has not altered the fundamental
principles guiding Putin’s foreign policy thought,
which has remained largely unchanged since 2000.
Putin believes that Russia is a great power that is
entitled to its own spheres of influence and deserves
to be reckoned with in all key decisions. He asserts
that the true deviation from the norm was Russia’s
moment of weakness in the 1990s and that Russia
is merely reemerging to its rightful place in the
international system.
Many of Putin’s principles are incompatible with
the rules-based order and worldview of the West.
Putin’s concept of national sovereignty, for example,
is often at odds with the sovereignty of other
nations. European states enjoy the sovereign right
to join NATO. Many of them hold
legitimate security concerns about a
resurgent Russia. Putin, however,
does not view many of these states
as truly sovereign
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4743 posts
Posted on 5/10/22 at 5:19 am to
Most wars see the acceleration of the application of new technology. At least by the victorious sides... Swiss pikes, rifled barrels, machine guns, radar, etc. This war has its candidates, such as the numerous anti-armor weapons and drones, however the most significant tech advance has been the replacement of old SATCOM links with the SpaceX Starlink-based communication.

Here's a good thread on this topic and shows how this technology has given Ukraine a totally secure GIS/C3i (Geographic Information System/Command, Control, Communications, and Intelligence) system that could now be more advanced than what the West has.

The Starlink application has totally defeated Russian attempts to hack Ukrainian communications, given the Ukrainians complete encription and protection from Russian geo-location attempts (think about directing the SF units operating inside Russia now) and allowed their artillery to obtain a 30 second time between target call-in and trigger pull (compared to 5 to 15 minutes for the US). There is more to this list but I don't want to write War and Peace here (besides, it's probably been sanctioned). Bottom line, this is the first Starlink War and Russia is losing it bigtime.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42850 posts
Posted on 5/10/22 at 7:11 am to
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When they’ve got Sloviansk encircled what will it matter how long it took?

Sure, if it takes too long then there’s no encirclement. Ukrainian troops will all be gone. And that’s a big if. I remember when the Russians were slowly encircling Kiev. Look what happened there.

My point? Speed matters.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8198 posts
Posted on 5/10/22 at 7:24 am to
Never forget the other side has a say in what happens. If in danger of encirclement, why can’t Ukraine just fall back?
Posted by Palmetto98
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Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 7:27 am to
Lol all this shvt won’t matter when Ukraine is starved to death from blockades and the army is destroyed.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46575 posts
Posted on 5/10/22 at 7:32 am to
quote:

Advancing too slowly? Haha OK internet general.


The fact that you uttered this statement and are completely oblivious to the hypocrisy here is hilarious.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46575 posts
Posted on 5/10/22 at 7:38 am to
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Lol all this shvt won’t matter when Ukraine is starved to death from blockades


What blockades? Russia has completely abandoned any attempt to take western Ukraine. The entire western border with Poland, Hungary, Romania, and Slovakia is wide open with supplies pouring in.

Do you even know where Ukraine is? Because you seem to have no knowledge of the geography of the area.
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
3208 posts
Posted on 5/10/22 at 7:42 am to
quote:

What blockades? Russia has completely abandoned any attempt to take western Ukraine. The entire western border with Poland, Hungary, Romania, and Slovakia is wide open with supplies pouring in.

Do you even know where Ukraine is? Because you seem to have no knowledge of the geography of the area.


The naval blockade is still an issue that doesn't have a good answer yet.

In the news today is Zelensky calling for Russia to end the blockade to help with global food supply.

Guardian
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 7:44 am
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46575 posts
Posted on 5/10/22 at 7:44 am to
quote:

In the news today is Zelensky calling for Russia to end the blockade to help with global food supply.



That's because the naval blockade only hurts Russia and the rest of the countries that rely on Ukraine's farms.

Ukrainians will be just fine.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12866 posts
Posted on 5/10/22 at 7:48 am to
quote:

The Starlink application has totally defeated Russian attempts to hack Ukrainian communications, given the Ukrainians complete encription and protection from Russian geo-location attempts (think about directing the SF units operating inside Russia now) and allowed their artillery to obtain a 30 second time between target call-in and trigger pull (compared to 5 to 15 minutes for the US).

That Twitter thread was an interesting read. Thanks for sharing.

One thing I wanted to clarify - as I understand it based on that thread, the longer time from “call to trigger pull” for US forces appears to be largely due to bureaucratic/legal factors rather than technological difficulties, no? I think it’s worth pointing out that a lot of those concerns go out the window when you’re fighting an existential war within your own borders. We can, and should, be more cautious when we are operating in other countries - particularly when mistakes can have a higher strategic/diplomatic cost than success.

The SpaceX dynamic fascinates me. On one hand, it’s a success story for western democracy and free market capitalism. On the other hand, it has somewhat terrifying implications for the future - particularly as it relates to AI. The fear has always been that technological advances will transfer power away from democratically-elected world governments and toward those who control the technology and infrastructure. That’s fine when it’s Elon Musk, who is by most accounts a “good guy” that values egalitarian principles (regardless of whether you agree with his views of the future). But he might be the exception rather than the rule.

That’s really a different topic of conversation entirely but I do think it’s interesting how this war is giving us glimpses of what the next phase of world power division might look like.
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 8:18 am
Posted by Tigeralum2008
Yankees Fan
Member since Apr 2012
17735 posts
Posted on 5/10/22 at 7:53 am to
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The naval blockade is still an issue that doesn't have a good answer yet.



I’m guessing the best route to get the volume of wheat out of Ukraine is via ship through the strait

Perhaps Ukraine doesn’t have the rail infrastructure to support war and economy
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 7:54 am
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5778 posts
Posted on 5/10/22 at 7:58 am to
Russia can't make more tanks because of sanctions.

“Because of the export controls we’ve already put in place, Russia’s top two manufacturers of tanks are no longer in business,” Deputy Secretary of the Treasury Wally Adeyemo said Monday. “Russia today has far fewer tanks than they had going into this invasion, and they can't make more because of the action that we're taking with sanctions.”

The White House says the controls have left Russia’s two major tank plants — the Uralvagonzavod Corporation and Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant — idle due to a lack of foreign components. And observers noticed fewer tanks than normal at the annual military parade on Moscow’s Red Square on Monday.

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