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Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:11 pm to GhostofJackson
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We all know that you can't sum up some of these complex relationships in simple, tidy taglines though.
But that's exactly what you've done.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:11 pm to GhostofJackson
And friends help friends in need.
Ukraine - friend.'
Russia - not friend.
Ukraine - friend.'
Russia - not friend.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:11 pm to WestCoastAg
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sure. but they wont. cause they are propped up by russia and russia actively played a role in those "uprisings" and russian troops were directly involved
so again. seems like russia could end this war this second if they decided to and we both clearly agree that war is awful and bad
Yes, but also I would assume that we both agree that if those breakway groups, without the help of Russia (militarily), could gain independence from Ukraine they should have the right to do so without being treated as anything but people looking for self-determination.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:13 pm to Eurocat
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Should France be allowed to support a French-speakers revolution in Louisiana? What about Quebec?
Sure. Why would anyone be okay with trampeling a just movement for self-determination. If Quebec wants to leave Canada, they should be able to. If Texas wants to leave the US, they should have that right.
Your hypothetical about Louisiana and a francophone rebellion just isn't a real situation, so I don't think we need to talk about that.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:16 pm to GhostofJackson
His complete ignoration of my questions is rather telling.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:16 pm to GhostofJackson
so then maybe russia should just walk away and not prop up those regions with its own military, or bomb and lay siege to ukrainian cities, and shouldnt commit war crimes against the civilian population of ukraine
ukraine and donbas and luhansk and crimea should figure this out amongst themselves. why is russia involved at all?
ukraine and donbas and luhansk and crimea should figure this out amongst themselves. why is russia involved at all?
This post was edited on 5/8/22 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:17 pm to GhostofJackson
Here is what those states do NOT do now.
Hold fair elections.
Issue Passports
Have a currency
Have embassies
Protect and register copyrights
Have any import or export controls
Have their own distinct langue
Have - for that matter - any kind of "history" really.
Give out drivers licences
Have courts or jails (that is all done in Russia for them)
Those countries in now way can even be considered to exist.
Northen Cyprus can make a better case, at least they have a soccer team and two embassies.
Hold fair elections.
Issue Passports
Have a currency
Have embassies
Protect and register copyrights
Have any import or export controls
Have their own distinct langue
Have - for that matter - any kind of "history" really.
Give out drivers licences
Have courts or jails (that is all done in Russia for them)
Those countries in now way can even be considered to exist.
Northen Cyprus can make a better case, at least they have a soccer team and two embassies.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:21 pm to WestCoastAg
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ukraine and donbas and luhansk and crimea should figure this out amongst themselves. why is russia involved at all?
Well there we start reaching into the bag of complexity right? Those regions are composed of people who, about 20 percent of, consider themselves ethnic Russians. Russia has made no bones about wanting to help them. It's also in their economic interests to do so as well. In reality, even if Russia had no hand in those regions leaving Ukraine, it would still make sense to draw close to them.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:23 pm to Centinel
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His complete ignoration of my questions is rather telling.
No you're just a self-righteous prick. I'm answering the same questions asked by other people who are actually interested in discussion and not just lording over that "you've been to Ukraine" whatever the frick that even buy you.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:24 pm to GhostofJackson
quote:so this means its ok for russia to bomb and lay siege and commit war crimes on the ukrainian populace? cool
Those regions are composed of people who, about 20 percent of, consider themselves ethnic Russians. Russia has made no bones about wanting to help them. It's also in their economic interests to do so as well. In reality, even if Russia had no hand in those regions leaving Ukraine, it would still make sense to draw close to them.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:25 pm to WestCoastAg
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so this means its ok for russia to bomb and lay siege and commit war crimes on the ukrainian populace? cool
I thought we were going somewhere but I guess not. Sure, that's exactly what you should draw from my post.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:26 pm to GhostofJackson
i did fwiw
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:27 pm to WestCoastAg
Well boys, it was fun. Some of yall are excellent debaters, some need a lot of work. 
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:31 pm to GhostofJackson
and there it is
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:40 pm to WestCoastAg
Literally 4 pages of nerds going back and forth about dumb shite.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:43 pm to GhostofJackson
quote:And this is why playing chess with pigeons is pointless
Well boys, it was fun. Some of yall are excellent debaters, some need a lot of work.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 12:11 am to GhostofJackson
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What about Ukraine (and their hawkish attitude towards Russia) makes you think siding with them is in the best interests of an American?
Posted on 5/9/22 at 12:59 am to northshorebamaman
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Ukraine (and their hawkish attitude towards Russia)
What in the frick is this supposed to mean?
Sorry, Vlad. Your invasion of Ukraine was a stupid idea.
This post was edited on 5/9/22 at 1:00 am
Posted on 5/9/22 at 1:06 am to cbree88
quote:ask him
What in the frick is this supposed to mean?
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