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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/31/24 at 10:36 am to Goonie02
Posted on 5/31/24 at 10:36 am to Goonie02
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you should be mad at the military industry. they screwed our defense capabilities for profit. only way to fix this is to nationalize defense like its supposed to be.
Well we nationalized the education system, and it produced scholars like you who can't spell, or reason, or use proper grammar. So you're not doing any favors for your arguments here.
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Posted on 5/31/24 at 11:02 am to No Colors
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It's called boiling a frog. And for all their frickups, foreign and domestic, the Biden administration has done a damn good job with this. Russia keeps thinking it needs to go in just a little bit deeper...and then the West counters. And so Russia moves in a little bit deeper, etc.
Now entering "the spin zone"
Posted on 5/31/24 at 11:07 am to CitizenK
Germany is sending yet another Patriot in their aid package along with more missiles for IRIS-T systems, more Marder 1A3 IFVs, other armored vehicles, EW equipment, self propelled anti air defense systems (not sure which), hundreds of sniper rifles, reconnaissance and FPV drones, new barrels for artillery, new engines for Leopard 2 tanks and other parts and money to set Ukraine up with new terminals for satellite communications. Finally they are also financing the refurbishment and modernization of 19 Leopard 2A4 tanks from Spain that will be ready to hand over to Ukraine by the end of the year.
This post was edited on 5/31/24 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 5/31/24 at 12:20 pm to LSUPilot07
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Germany is sending yet another Patriot in their aid package along with more missiles for IRIS-T systems, more Marder 1A3 IFVs, other armored vehicles, EW equipment, self propelled anti air defense systems (not sure which), hundreds of sniper rifles, reconnaissance and FPV drones, new barrels for artillery, new engines for Leopard 2 tanks and other parts and money to set Ukraine up with new terminals for satellite communications. Finally they are also financing the refurbishment and modernization of 19 Leopard 2A4 tanks from Spain that will be ready to hand over to Ukraine by the end of the year.
Ukraine has yet more equipment to prevent their people being killed unnecessarily.
... but it makes me wonder, doesn't this mean they're losing the war? Isn't Germany giving up more equipment evidence of Ukraine losing...?
(Except if Ukraine was really at risk of falling apart, NATO countries wouldn't risk their gear being captured by Russia and wouldn't send it, but never mind small details like that...)
Posted on 5/31/24 at 12:37 pm to RuLSU
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Except if Ukraine was really at risk of falling apart, NATO countries wouldn't risk their gear being captured by Russia and wouldn't send it, but never mind small details like that...)
You can just tag me
Losing doesn't necessary = at risk of falling apart immediately, for one.
Secondly, we are constantly being told its old shite anyway. Why would we care? Its old stuff we aren't even going to use!
Thirdly, did you not see the Afghanistan withdrawal? Leaving stuff for hostile entities to capture after we leave is not a concept we are unfamiliar with.
But never mind small details like those.
This post was edited on 5/31/24 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 5/31/24 at 12:50 pm to LSUPilot07
Congrats supporting the NWO that has crushed our justice system and our free and fair elections, I guess
Posted on 5/31/24 at 12:55 pm to StormyMcMan
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The previous exchange took place on February 8. Then, 100 Russian servicemen returned home, and a similar number of Ukrainian prisoners were sent in the opposite direction. After that, exchanges stopped, primarily due to the Ukrainian side insisting on unequal exchanges.
Typical behaviour from someone like Zelenskyy.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 1:07 pm to SirWinston
Russia Strikes Kharkiv with S-300 Missiles: 5 Dead, Dozens Injured
Due to the strikes, a five-story residential building was partially destroyed, a sewing workshop and a shop were damaged, and numerous residential buildings sustained damage.
by Kyiv Post | May 31, 2024, 10:07 am
The strikes partially destroyed a five-story residential building, from the third to the fifth floor, causing a fire. Four people were killed and twenty-five people were injured, including two children, a 12-year-old boy, and a 12-year-old girl.
Additionally, a bodyguard died after a strike hit a sewing workshop.
Oleh Synehubov, the head of the Kharkiv Regional Military Administration, reported that among the injured was a medic, and an ambulance was also damaged.
“The enemy again used double-strike tactics while medics, rescuers, and law enforcement officers were already working on the spot,” he wrote.
Kyiv Post
Due to the strikes, a five-story residential building was partially destroyed, a sewing workshop and a shop were damaged, and numerous residential buildings sustained damage.
by Kyiv Post | May 31, 2024, 10:07 am
The strikes partially destroyed a five-story residential building, from the third to the fifth floor, causing a fire. Four people were killed and twenty-five people were injured, including two children, a 12-year-old boy, and a 12-year-old girl.
Additionally, a bodyguard died after a strike hit a sewing workshop.
Oleh Synehubov, the head of the Kharkiv Regional Military Administration, reported that among the injured was a medic, and an ambulance was also damaged.
“The enemy again used double-strike tactics while medics, rescuers, and law enforcement officers were already working on the spot,” he wrote.
Kyiv Post
Posted on 5/31/24 at 1:53 pm to SirWinston
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behaviour
Posted on 5/31/24 at 2:01 pm to SirWinston
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Congrats supporting the NWO that has crushed our justice system and our free and fair elections, I guess
Take this to the Poli Board.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 2:02 pm to SirWinston
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The previous exchange took place on February 8. Then, 100 Russian servicemen returned home, and a similar number of Ukrainian prisoners were sent in the opposite direction. After that, exchanges stopped, primarily due to the Ukrainian side insisting on unequal exchanges.
Typical behaviour from someone like Zelenskyy.
Being strong and not a cuck to Putin!?!
Posted on 5/31/24 at 2:36 pm to No Colors
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And for all their frickups, foreign and domestic, the Biden administration has done a damn good job with this.
Good Lord.
Unbelievable that anyone actually believes this garbage.
Folks, we have some dyed in the wool leftists in this thread.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 2:40 pm to RuLSU
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... but it makes me wonder, doesn't this mean they're losing the war? Isn't Germany giving up more equipment evidence of Ukraine losing...?
Really? Is anyone winning?
The US provided England and the US with billions. We provided food, clothing, wedpibs, tanks, ammo and etc. The longer the war lasted the more did we gave.
Did we provide aid the entire time because they continued to lose and eventually lost.
Or did we give aid to halt the enemy and then to vanquish them?
Posted on 5/31/24 at 2:53 pm to doubleb
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The US provided England and the US with billions. We provided food, clothing, wedpibs, tanks, ammo and etc. The longer the war lasted the more did we gave.
Did we provide aid the entire time because they continued to lose and eventually lost.
Or did we give aid to halt the enemy and then to vanquish them?
I'm guessing you're talking WW2, that first part is strangely worded.
If so, you're leaving out the important point that the US eventually was heavily involved in both theaters of that war, and it isn't won without our direct involvement. Aid didn't swing that war, and we had to escalate our contribution as it went on to precent the allies from losing.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 2:55 pm to VolSquatch
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Now entering "the spin zone"
Let me pose the question another way:
From tactical or strategic viewpoint, how could this war have gone any worse for Russia?
When they told Putin the most likely outcome of the invasion, and then had to give him "worst case scenario"... I guarantee you that worst case wasn't
Army crushed at the gates of Kiev
Black Sea fleet sunk
3000 tanks destroyed
500,000 casualties over 3 years
Cut off from 80% of the world's economy
No major cities captured
Complete control of one oblast.
Partial control of 3 others
No end in sight
This wasn't in his slideshow of outcomes
So. Now. Which side is spinning?
Posted on 5/31/24 at 3:12 pm to No Colors
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From tactical or strategic viewpoint, how could this war have gone any worse for Russia?
Oh I 100% agree. But its foolish to act like Biden has handled this well, like you did in your previous post.
If we are playing soccer and the game ends 1-0 and I won because you kicked the ball into your own net, does that automatically mean I performed well? Obviously not. I couldn't even score on an idiot that kicked the ball into their own net on accident.
Biden has actually handled this extremely poorly.
-Like I said in a previous post, if you're going to give weapons give them the good shite that will end the war quicker.
-Biden has been pressuring Israel publicly and privately to end the conflict. Do you ever see him trying to pressure Russia into a withdrawal, or even just call on them to? Why do you think that is?
-This point will be controversial, but I think the west, spearheaded by the Biden admin and the UK, killed or at least contributed to the lack of a peace deal in 2022. At the very least its verified fact that talks were going well, and then stopped going well after Ukraine met with Boris Johnson. Both sides were giving concessions and sending drafts back and forth, and then it stopped.
-Whether you think it contributed to it or not, Kamala Harris publicly stating that they wanted Ukraine in NATO at the Munich Security Conference was just completely unneccessary. I might have every want and intention of bedding my wife tonight, but I don't need to announce that to everyone in the middle of dinner at Applebee's.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 3:45 pm to Lee B
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Take this to the Poli Board.
The whole thread should be moved to the political board. It's absurd that it's allowed to stay here.
It's 90% politics at this point.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 4:06 pm to Tiger985
Joe Biden is far worse a person than Vladimir Putin
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 5/31/24 at 4:07 pm to Tiger985
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The whole thread should be moved to the political board. It's absurd that it's allowed to stay here.
It's 90% politics at this point.
Spot on
This post was edited on 5/31/24 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 5/31/24 at 4:17 pm to SirWinston
Ukraine can strike inside Russia with American arms near entire northern border, US official says
by Kateryna Denisova June 1, 2024 12:02 AM
The U.S. gave Ukraine permission to use American weapons to strike targets in Russia across the border from both Kharkiv and Sumy oblasts, Michael Carpenter, senior director for Europe at the U.S. National Security Council, told the TSN news program on May 31.
Earlier in the day, Ukraine's president spokesperson Serhii Nykyforov confirmed to the Kyiv Independent that Washington had lifted the ban on strikes with U.S.-supplied weapons inside Russia near the border with Kharkiv Oblast.
“The recommendations apply to the northern border in Kharkiv and Sumy oblasts, where Russian forces are firing on Ukraine,” Carpenter said.
“They (Russian troops) used to be able to fire relatively safely from there, but now Ukrainian forces can use our ammunition and weapons to be able to fire back.”
Washington still prohibits Ukraine from using ATACMS and other long-range U.S.-provided weapons for strikes deeper inside Russia, U.S. officials said.
The Kyiv Independent
by Kateryna Denisova June 1, 2024 12:02 AM
The U.S. gave Ukraine permission to use American weapons to strike targets in Russia across the border from both Kharkiv and Sumy oblasts, Michael Carpenter, senior director for Europe at the U.S. National Security Council, told the TSN news program on May 31.
Earlier in the day, Ukraine's president spokesperson Serhii Nykyforov confirmed to the Kyiv Independent that Washington had lifted the ban on strikes with U.S.-supplied weapons inside Russia near the border with Kharkiv Oblast.
“The recommendations apply to the northern border in Kharkiv and Sumy oblasts, where Russian forces are firing on Ukraine,” Carpenter said.
“They (Russian troops) used to be able to fire relatively safely from there, but now Ukrainian forces can use our ammunition and weapons to be able to fire back.”
Washington still prohibits Ukraine from using ATACMS and other long-range U.S.-provided weapons for strikes deeper inside Russia, U.S. officials said.
The Kyiv Independent
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