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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:49 am to Tigris
Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:49 am to Tigris
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The idea that Ukraine wants independence because of US meddling is laughable.
The Russians also omit the part where Ukraine voluntarily gave up their nukes in return for US and Russian protection of their sovereignty.
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Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:57 am to doubleb
We paid Ukraine 450 million for them. The Ukrainians had actually tried to bypass the permissive action links on the weapons, but it wasn't possible.
This post was edited on 6/1/24 at 11:00 am
Posted on 6/1/24 at 11:03 am to doubleb
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in return for US and Russian protection of their sovereignty.
“Sovereignty.” Nice. You realize that Obama’s CIA led a coup against the duly elected Ukrainian government, right? Now we may not have liked that government, but it was Ukraine’s duly elected government. Face it, we have fouled this up at every turn. And here we are.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 11:11 am to SloaneRanger
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“Sovereignty.” Nice. You realize that Obama’s CIA led a coup against the duly elected Ukrainian government, right?
I did not.
Do you have a link to a legitimate article regarding this? I’d always thought the Ukes themselves led the overthrow and that their parliament overwhelmingly ran the Russian puppet off.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 11:39 am to doubleb
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I’d always thought the Ukes themselves led the overthrow and that their parliament overwhelmingly ran the Russian puppet off.
He's firmly in the "Everything bad in this world is the US' fault" camp
Posted on 6/1/24 at 11:44 am to StormyMcMan
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He's firmly in the "Everything bad in this world is the US' fault" camp
No, I’m not. But are you people seriously contending that the US was not involved in that coup? I know people have different opinions and points of view, and that’s great. But I was not aware that anyone seriously denies US involvement in the coup.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 11:48 am to StormyMcMan
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He's firmly in the "Everything bad in this world is the US' fault" camp
I’ve read this a lot, “CIA led the overthrow”; however, despite my efforts I never found a legitimate source to back that up.
There are a lot of people out there that will tell you our government, our military and our various agencies are all incapable of effective action. Then those same people will tell you that our government pulled off 9/11, pulls off all kinds of false flags and yes orchestrated the overthrow in Ukraine.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 12:00 pm to SloaneRanger
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No, I’m not. But are you people seriously contending that the US was not involved in that coup? I know people have different opinions and points of view, and that’s great. But I was not aware that anyone seriously denies US involvement in the coup.
Oh I believe we were involved as we should have been, but that’s not what you said.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 12:03 pm to doubleb
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Oh I believe we were involved as we should have been,
Well of course. Now let’s revisit your assertions about the importance of Ukrainian “sovereignty.”
Posted on 6/1/24 at 12:06 pm to SloaneRanger
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Well of course. Now let’s revisit your assertions about the importance of Ukrainian “sovereignty.”
I’m waiting. Did you find your source regarding the CIA leading the overthrow? It looks to me like you are crawfishing.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 12:17 pm to doubleb
What, you want to quibble about the CIA leading vs being involved? Come on man. Face it, we were involved/led the coup against the country’s duly elected government. One elected in internationally monitored elections. And now the situation is FUBAR precisely because of our egregious diplomatic and foreign policy malpractice.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 12:26 pm to SloaneRanger
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What, you want to quibble about the CIA leading vs being involved?
So you can’t find a link telling me how the CIA led a coup against the government of Ukraine. A government that was firing at its own people. A government that was orchestrated by Russia. A government who was not doing what his people wanted.
So if you can’t find a link showing the CIA led the overthrow, can you find an article saying exactly what the CIA did, what role they played and how significant of a role that was?
Posted on 6/1/24 at 12:35 pm to doubleb
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So you can’t find a link telling me how the CIA led a coup against the government of Ukraine. A government that was firing at its own people.
Likely just another anti-American Politard who should go join some campus protest or something.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 1:13 pm to GOP_Tiger
Appears Russia's targeting of power sources is working:
From Ukranian NGO they are saying the rolling blackouts have no extended beyond just industrial use to households.
Ukraine will never get the generating plants up and running for the winter.
From Ukranian NGO they are saying the rolling blackouts have no extended beyond just industrial use to households.
Ukraine will never get the generating plants up and running for the winter.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 1:28 pm to SloaneRanger
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No, I’m not. But are you people seriously contending that the US was not involved in that coup? I know people have different opinions and points of view, and that’s great. But I was not aware that anyone seriously denies US involvement in the coup.
No more or no less than Russia was involved in Ukraine. All sides try to influence nation states. It’s the game and all play it. Russia has bought of plenty of Ukrainian politicians.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 1:40 pm to tigeraddict
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No more or no less than Russia was involved in Ukraine. All sides try to influence nation states. It’s the game and all play it. Russia has bought of plenty of Ukrainian politicians.
Understood. Glad that at least some of the people in this thread can acknowledge the obvious truth. Of course, trying to influence an election is one thing. Overthrowing a duly elected government is another. Oh, and how has this little coup worked out for everyone? We still calling it a success?
Posted on 6/1/24 at 1:48 pm to SloaneRanger
When Lee B clocks in he's fitna give you the business
Posted on 6/1/24 at 1:56 pm to SloaneRanger
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What, you want to quibble about the CIA leading vs being involved?
Sorry, in what way was the CIA involved, precisely?
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Come on man. Face it, we were involved/led the coup against the country’s duly elected government. One elected in internationally monitored elections.
Yanukovych ran on a platform of moving towards the EU. In November '13, he decided he wanted to abandon joining the EU and move towards integration with Russia.
That's what caused the mass protests, not some mythical "CIA Intervention."
Unless you're arguing that the CIA made 1,000,000+ people protest in the streets of Ukraine, of course?
Posted on 6/1/24 at 1:59 pm to SloaneRanger
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No, I’m not. But are you people seriously contending that the US was not involved in that coup? I know people have different opinions and points of view, and that’s great. But I was not aware that anyone seriously denies US involvement in the coup.
Only Putin's lackeys buy this.
The Color Revolution started before 2014 and Maiden Massacre happened due demonstrations after the president did not keep a campaign promise and do what the legislature dictated, apply to the EU for membership. The country was tired of being tied economically to Russia and all the corruption which comes with that. This had ZERO to do with NATO. The Ukrainian president flew away to his sugar daddy, Putin. This means that Putin's lackeys, like that president are vagina boys
Posted on 6/1/24 at 2:25 pm to RuLSU
Sorry, in what way was the CIA involved, precisely?
Don't really have a dog in y'alls particular fight on this one, but I would imagine that that is classified. If they weren't, they really missed the mark. Kinda what they do and all
Don't really have a dog in y'alls particular fight on this one, but I would imagine that that is classified. If they weren't, they really missed the mark. Kinda what they do and all
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