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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/15/23 at 6:14 pm to GetCocky11
Posted on 9/15/23 at 6:14 pm to GetCocky11
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It was Canada. It was frequently referred to as Canada during the American Revolution. And by the time of the War of 1812, you literally had Lower Canada and Upper Canada.
And yet, the official name wasn’t Canada. The provinces were not Canada. That occurred during confederation.
I mean, we’re arguing semantics for semantics sake. But, again, province of Quebec = province of Quebec not Canada.
Would become Canada
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 6:19 pm to beerJeep
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And yet, the official name wasn’t Canada.
Upper Canada and Lower Canada were most definitely the official names.
You’re being so weird about this
Canadians wouldn’t even agree with your stance on this This post was edited on 9/15/23 at 6:21 pm
Posted on 9/15/23 at 6:22 pm to GetCocky11
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I haven’t read this thread in weeks but this is the dumbest shite I’ll read all week. We invaded Canada
Indeed we have invaded Canada, two times in fact.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 6:28 pm to GetCocky11
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Upper Canada and Lower Canada were most definitely the official names.
After the revolutionary war, true.
Not before. 50/50 draw, baw
It’s been an extremely boring day today
This post was edited on 9/15/23 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 9/15/23 at 6:37 pm to WeeWee
The only thing this war has illustrated is that there is zero reason for the US to remain in NATO. It was formed in the post-war era to defend a rebuilding Western Europe against a USSR/Warsaw Pact threat. Now, there is no USSR; and what remains (Russia) has literally half the population as before. It's former Warsaw Pact satellites have broken away and are, in fact, now in opposition to Russia. Western Europe and the former WP states have a much larger population base, vastly bigger and more vibrant economy and a large technological edge over Putin.
Russia has demonstrated that the are, at best, a second rate military power and pose no threat whatsoever to the US. So, why are we spending hundreds of billions of our dollars? If Europe is scared of Russia they are well more than capable of handling the threat themselves. 80 years of freeloading off the American dime is enough. Absolutely no justification for us to defend Western Europe if they will not protect themselves.
Russia has demonstrated that the are, at best, a second rate military power and pose no threat whatsoever to the US. So, why are we spending hundreds of billions of our dollars? If Europe is scared of Russia they are well more than capable of handling the threat themselves. 80 years of freeloading off the American dime is enough. Absolutely no justification for us to defend Western Europe if they will not protect themselves.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:10 pm to SoFla Tideroller
ISW Update
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Ukrainian forces liberated Andriivka in the Bakhmut area on September 14 and continued offensive operations near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast on September 15. The Ukrainian General Staff and other Ukrainian officials reported that Ukrainian forces liberated Andriivka on September 14 and achieved unspecified partial success near Klishchiivka (7km southwest of Bakhmut) on September 15
Russian State Duma Deputy and former Deputy Commander of the Southern Military District (SMD) Lieutenant General Andrei Gurulev complained about lying within the Russian military and highlighted the effectiveness of Ukrainian air defenses against Russian helicopters. Gurulev published a Telegram message on September 15 largely reiterating known Russian challenges, though with several notable points. Gurulev complained that the culture of lying in the Russian military is the main issue preventing a Russian victory in Ukraine and claimed that false reports are leading to poor decision-making at many levels within the Russian military.[4] Gurulev also stated that Ukrainian air defenses at the front are effective against Russian helicopters and are preventing Russian helicopters from using previously highly effective anti-tank missiles, and he reiterated common complaints about Ukraine’s ability to conduct drone strikes on Russian rear areas and insufficient Russian counterbattery capabilities
Ukrainian forces conducted naval drone strikes on Russian ships in the Black Sea on September 14.[7] Ukrainian Stategic Command reported that Ukrainian forces caused unspecified damaged to two Russian “Vasily Bykov” Project 22160-class patrol ships in the southwestern Black Sea on September 14.[8] The Russian MoD claimed that Russian Black Sea Fleet forces destroyed two Ukrainian naval drones in this area.[9] Ukrainian newspaper Ukrainskaya Pravda reported that sources in the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU) stated that a Ukrainian naval drone significantly damaged a Russian Bora-class corvette near the entrance to Sevastopol Bay on September 14 but the Russian MoD claimed that Russian Black Sea Fleet forces destroyed a Ukrainian naval drone and repelled the attack.[10] A Russian source claimed that the corvette was not visibly damaged.[11]
Russian forces conducted another series of Shahed-131/-136 drone strikes targeting Ukrainian rear areas on September 15. Ukrainian officials reported that Russian forces launched 17 drones from Krasnodar Krai in the direction of Khmelnytskyi Oblast and that Ukrainian air defenses shot down all 17 drones.
Russian State Duma Defense Committee Chairman Andrei Kartapolov explicitly stated that mobilized personnel will only demobilize at the end of Russia’s “special military operation.”[14] Kartapolov added that Russian mobilized personnel will not receive rotations, but that they are entitled to leave every six months.[15] Kartapolov’s explicit commentary is likely meant to dissuade Russian legislators from considering a proposed amendment that would establish terms for demobilizing personnel mobilized in autumn 2022.[16] The Kremlin continues to resist formally rescinding the partial mobilization decree in order to legally justify the continued service of mobilized personnel for an indefinite period of time.
Russian President Vladimir Putin and Belarusian President Aleksander Lukashenko reiterated standing claims about negotiations and perceived grievances against the West during a meeting in Sochi on September 15. Putin and Lukashenko reportedly also discussed economic issues, Kim Jong Un’s visit to Russia, and Russian force generation efforts.[18] Putin and Lukashenko reiterated boilerplate rhetoric accusing the West of manipulating Ukraine. Putin claimed that 300,000 people have signed military service contracts with the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) - presumably within the past six to seven months, updating a figure given by Putin on September 12.[19]
The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) continues efforts to assume control over the Wagner Group’s operations in North Africa and may have assigned former commander of the Aerospace Forces (VKS) Sergei Surovikin to this task. Russian sources posted pictures of Army General Sergei Surovikin, the previously dismissed Wagner-affiliated former VKS commander, in Algeria on September 15.[20] Russian state news outlet Kommersant reported that a source close to Surovikin stated that the trip may be connected to Surovikin’s possible appointment to oversee unspecified operations in Africa.[21] Russian milbloggers claimed that Surovikin’s new formal position as Head of the Coordination Committee on Air Defense Issues under the Council of Defense Ministers of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) is purely nominal and speculated that Surovikin may take over Wagner assets and operations in the region
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Key Takeaways:
Ukrainian forces liberated Andriivka in the Bakhmut area on September 14 and continued offensive operations near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast on September 15.
Russian State Duma Deputy and former Deputy Commander of the Southern Military District (SMD) Lieutenant General Andrei Gurulev complained about lying within the Russian military and highlighted the effectiveness of Ukrainian air defenses against Russian helicopters.
Ukrainian forces conducted naval drone strikes on Russian ships in the Black Sea on September 14.
Russian forces conducted another series of Shahed-131/-136 drone strikes targeting Ukrainian rear areas on September 15.
Russian State Duma Defense Committee Chairman Andrei Kartapolov explicitly stated that mobilized personnel will only demobilize at the end of Russia’s “special military operation.”
The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) continues efforts to assume control over the Wagner Group’s operations in North Africa and may have assigned former commander of the Aerospace Forces (VKS) Sergei Surovikin to this task.
Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and advanced in some areas on September 15.
Russian occupation authorities continue efforts to strengthen ground lines of communication (GLOCs) connecting occupied southern Ukraine to Russia and occupied Crimea.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:11 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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The only thing this war has illustrated is that there is zero reason for the US to remain in NATO. It was formed in the post-war era to defend a rebuilding Western Europe against a USSR/Warsaw Pact threat. Now, there is no USSR; and what remains (Russia) has literally half the population as before. It's former Warsaw Pact satellites have broken away and are, in fact, now in opposition to Russia. Western Europe and the former WP states have a much larger population base, vastly bigger and more vibrant economy and a large technological edge over Putin.
Russia has demonstrated that the are, at best, a second rate military power and pose no threat whatsoever to the US. So, why are we spending hundreds of billions of our dollars? If Europe is scared of Russia they are well more than capable of handling the threat themselves. 80 years of freeloading off the American dime is enough. Absolutely no justification for us to defend Western Europe if they will not protect themselves.
This is some seriously big brain stuff right here.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:23 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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The only thing this war has illustrated is that there is zero reason for the US to remain in NATO
The war has made NATO more relevant, more vital and a force to keep peace in Europe.
They added two key nations. Nations are adding to their defense expenditures. Russian imperialism is being thwarted for the first time in decades.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:28 pm to doubleb
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The war has made NATO more relevant, more vital and a force to keep peace in Europe.
They added two key nations. Nations are adding to their defense expenditures. Russian imperialism is being thwarted for the first time in decades.
I’ve long believed, even before Russia took Crimea and the Donbas, that there was no reason for the US to remain in NATO. There is no reason why the Europeans can’t form their own defensive alliance against Russia. Frankly, Europe has been a bunch of freeloading spoiled children to the US since 1945 and it’s time to cut them off. As the other poster said, they have large economies and an educated population base that should be more than capable of defending themselves against Russia.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:30 pm to doubleb
quote:about damn time
Nations are adding to their defense expenditures.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:35 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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The only thing this war has illustrated is that there is zero reason for the US to remain in NATO.
ask this question: "Had Ukraine been in NATO, would Russia have attacked Ukraine?"
2nd question, "With Ukraine in NATO and Russia not attacking, would the US have sent $100B in military aide to Ukraine?"
The purpose of NATO is to create peace in Europe, which was the location of wars for the past 300 years. Since NATO, this is the first war in Europe, between Non-NATO countries.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:36 pm to tigeraddict
only the absolute dumbest among us look at this war and say “yeah, nato is pointless”
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:36 pm to tigeraddict
So the US is on the hook for making sure the Europeans don’t kill each other for the rest of history?
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:37 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
the only reason Russia is not a threat now is because, since 1948, we’ve treated them like you think we should treat china today.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:38 pm to tigeraddict
Are you forgetting the Balkan War?
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:39 pm to Hateradedrink
Europe is more than capable of dealing with Russia while we deal with the main event that is China.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:39 pm to glassman
TIL the Balkans sounds like faulklands I’m putting the booze down
I’m putting the booze downThis post was edited on 9/15/23 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:44 pm to Hateradedrink
latest from Julia...
Julia Davis
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Propagandist Sergey Mardan grimly discusses bad news for the mobilized: they aren't coming home until the end of the invasion, but no one knows when and how it might conclude.
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Julia Davis
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Propagandist Sergey Mardan grimly discusses bad news for the mobilized: they aren't coming home until the end of the invasion, but no one knows when and how it might conclude.
Youtube
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:45 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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There is no reason why the Europeans can’t form their own defensive alliance against Russia
Yes there is, nuclear weapons.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:46 pm to WeeWee
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Unfortunately people like GOPTiger and other idiots in the west bought into it and forced Ukraine into an offensive before they were ready.
It's all my fault, folks. I'm so sorry.
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