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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:55 pm to
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:55 pm to
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Yes there is, nuclear weapons.


France and the UK have nuclear weapons.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:56 pm to
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The Rostov-on-Don was one of five subs in the Black Sea Fleet that can launch the Kaliber missiles that have devasted much of Odessa and southern Ukraine. Anyone saying that it's destruction is about generating headlines is really too stupid to bother responding to in the future. He's either brain-dead, or he's a troll.


It’s not gonna help the floundering Ukrainian offensive.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 9:03 pm to
WSJ:

Unfortunate news for Ukraine, as GLSDB had been expected to be delivered by next month:

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Another long-range system the U.S. has said it would provide, the ground-launched small-diameter bomb with a range of about 90 miles, is months away from being transferred, officials said.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 9:06 pm to
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s not gonna help the floundering Ukrainian offensive.


Comrade, if Mother Russia isn't sending cruise missiles via that sub, it helps Ukraine.
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 9:07 pm to
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that there was no reason for the US to remain in NATO.
outside of the massive intelligence network we have built and the collective power it has with the over 10 trillion dollars in GDP after you take the US out
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 9:08 pm to
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Comrade, if Mother Russia isn't sending cruise missiles via that sub, it helps Ukraine.


It’s a nice little win for them for sure. But it’s not gonna move the needle on the ground.

Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 9:09 pm to
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France and the UK have nuclear weapons.


How many do they have?
How many does Russia have?

Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 9:09 pm to
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outside of the massive intelligence network we have built and the collective power it has with the over 10 trillion dollars in GDP after you take the US out


We can remain economic partners without guaranteeing the security of the entire continent from a second rate military power.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 9:11 pm to
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How many do they have?


I don’t know, but surely they could invest and build many more if they take their security seriously. The only reason they haven’t is because daddy has always been there to take care of them. Sure, they’d probably have to sacrifice some of their taxpayer provided healthcare and education but that’s their choice to make.
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 9:12 pm to
And do what with our massive global intelligence network
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 9:17 pm to
It’s about 5000 active warheads for Russia plus in active yo about 500 fir France and England together.

The idea is to halt nuclear proliferation, why encourage France and England to build more?
It’s asking for trouble down the road.

Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 9:17 pm to
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And do what with our massive global intelligence network


Maybe they could start doing actual intelligence work that they’ve been woefully inadequate at lately. They thought said it would take 3-6 months for Kabul to fall. They had no idea about any of the coups in Africa until after they had taken place. About the only thing they’ve gotten right is saying Russia would invade. Which isn’t impressive at all considering that everyone on the planet knew that Russia was going to invade. That tends to happen when you openly deploy hundreds of thousands of troops along a border. So kudos on stating the obvious I guess Mr. CIA.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 9:18 pm to
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It’s about 5000 active warheads for Russia plus in active yo about 500 fir France and England together. The idea is to halt nuclear proliferation, why encourage France and England to build more? It’s asking for trouble down the road.


If the Europeans would rather not proliferate and build nuclear weapons that’s their business. I don’t really care. The thing about nukes is that 500 is plenty to take out Russia.
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 9:23 pm to
Figures
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 9:27 pm to
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If the Europeans would rather not proliferate and build nuclear weapons that’s their business. I don’t really care. The thing about nukes is that 500 is plenty to take out Russia.


Err no and I’d rather they not build up. I wish we were the only ones to have nukes.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 9:31 pm to
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Err no and I’d rather they not build up. I wish we were the only ones to have nukes.


Fine, if we have to pay for all of Europe’s defense then they should cede most of their sovereignty to us. We’ll pick their leaders and make their foreign and domestic policies and they can continue to ride around on trains and look at the pretty art that we protect for them.
Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 9:42 pm to
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big brain stuff

Or not. Definitely not.
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:34 pm to
Thw World Bank is already financing rebuilding in Ukraine, just like it financed oil/gas in Russia post USSR. Even Japan, South Korea and Taiwan are chipping in ALREADY. Come on folks, remember that the electrical grid hasn't just been patched up but partly rebuilt to EU standards. It's more reliable now that pre 2022.
Posted by RyanMartin835
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:40 pm to
*when* and I know you Ukraine bro military strategists can't f'n wait.

Posted by SoFla Tideroller
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:50 pm to
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ask this question: "Had Ukraine been in NATO, would Russia have attacked Ukraine?"


So, it's the US's job to police the world when the local regional powers (Western Europe) are completely capable of handling matters themselves? It's irrelevant what Russia would or would not have done depending on Ukraine's status with NATO. Western Europe can handle their own area. Russia is no threat to come storming through the Fulda Gap and subjugate the continent. They can barely get a ship out of harbor. So, again, what is the justification for US involvement and draining our Treasury?
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