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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:50 pm to tigeraddict
Posted on 9/15/23 at 11:50 pm to tigeraddict
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ask this question: "Had Ukraine been in NATO, would Russia have attacked Ukraine?"
So, it's the US's job to police the world when the local regional powers (Western Europe) are completely capable of handling matters themselves? It's irrelevant what Russia would or would not have done depending on Ukraine's status with NATO. Western Europe can handle their own area. Russia is no threat to come storming through the Fulda Gap and subjugate the continent. They can barely get a ship out of harbor. So, again, what is the justification for US involvement and draining our Treasury?
Posted on 9/16/23 at 12:23 am to CitizenK
Kiev warned the public three weeks ago, IIRC, that the grid was in a fragile state, and to prepare for outages this winter.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 2:46 am to SoFla Tideroller
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draining our Treasury?
Can you provide some details here? Did we have a full "Treasury" two years ago but now it is almost empty? Or is this just hyperbole?
Posted on 9/16/23 at 2:48 am to Lima Whiskey
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that the grid was in a fragile state, and to prepare for outages this winter.
Is that because of the hundreds of cruise missiles Russia launched against it? Or because the corrupt Nazis stole all the money we donated? What's the cause and effect?
Posted on 9/16/23 at 3:27 am to No Colors
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 16 September 2023
Between October 2022 and March 2023, Russia focused long-range strikes against Ukraine's national energy infrastructure. Air launched cruise missiles (ALCMs), especially the modern AS-23a KODIAK, were at the heart of most of these strike missions. Russia uses strategic bomber aircraft to release these munitions from deep within Russian territory.
Open source reports suggest that since April 2023, ALCM expenditure rates have reduced, while Russian leaders have highlighted efforts to increase the rate of cruise missile production.
Russia is therefore likely able to generate a significant stockpile of ALCMs. There is a realistic possibility that Russia will again focus these weapons against Ukrainian infrastructure targets over the winter.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 16 September 2023
Between October 2022 and March 2023, Russia focused long-range strikes against Ukraine's national energy infrastructure. Air launched cruise missiles (ALCMs), especially the modern AS-23a KODIAK, were at the heart of most of these strike missions. Russia uses strategic bomber aircraft to release these munitions from deep within Russian territory.
Open source reports suggest that since April 2023, ALCM expenditure rates have reduced, while Russian leaders have highlighted efforts to increase the rate of cruise missile production.
Russia is therefore likely able to generate a significant stockpile of ALCMs. There is a realistic possibility that Russia will again focus these weapons against Ukrainian infrastructure targets over the winter.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 3:46 am to cypher
Russia keeps seven ships in Black Sea, no missile carriers among them
16.09.2023 10:17
The Naval Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine said this in a post on Facebook, Ukrinform reports.
"As of 08:00, seven enemy ships are on combat duty in the Black Sea," the report says.
According to the Naval Forces, Russia keeps four ships in the Sea of Azov. One Russian ship is on combat duty in the Mediterranean Sea.
As reported, on the morning of September 15, there were 16 Russian ships on combat duty in the Black Sea, one in the Sea of Azov.
16.09.2023 10:17
The Naval Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine said this in a post on Facebook, Ukrinform reports.
"As of 08:00, seven enemy ships are on combat duty in the Black Sea," the report says.
According to the Naval Forces, Russia keeps four ships in the Sea of Azov. One Russian ship is on combat duty in the Mediterranean Sea.
As reported, on the morning of September 15, there were 16 Russian ships on combat duty in the Black Sea, one in the Sea of Azov.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 7:44 am to cypher
Ukraine's Crimea attacks seen as key to counter-offensive against Russia
This week saw spectacular Ukrainian attacks on the Crimean Peninsula, hitting Russian warships and missiles.
Estimates of the damage done ran into billions of pounds and raised the question: is Ukraine getting ready to retake Crimea, which Russia annexed in 2014.
Crimea is a Russian fortress, so it is important not to get carried away.
"The strategy has two main goals," says Oleksandr Musiienko, from Kyiv's Centre for Military and Legal Studies.
"To establish dominance in the north-western Black Sea and to weaken Russian logistical opportunities for their defence lines in the south, near Tokmak and Melitopol."
In other words, operations in Crimea go hand-in-glove with Ukraine's counter-offensive in the south.
"They depend on each other," Musiienko says.
Let's look at Ukraine's recent successes in Crimea.
BBC News
This week saw spectacular Ukrainian attacks on the Crimean Peninsula, hitting Russian warships and missiles.
Estimates of the damage done ran into billions of pounds and raised the question: is Ukraine getting ready to retake Crimea, which Russia annexed in 2014.
Crimea is a Russian fortress, so it is important not to get carried away.
"The strategy has two main goals," says Oleksandr Musiienko, from Kyiv's Centre for Military and Legal Studies.
"To establish dominance in the north-western Black Sea and to weaken Russian logistical opportunities for their defence lines in the south, near Tokmak and Melitopol."
In other words, operations in Crimea go hand-in-glove with Ukraine's counter-offensive in the south.
"They depend on each other," Musiienko says.
Let's look at Ukraine's recent successes in Crimea.
BBC News
Posted on 9/16/23 at 7:55 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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That tends to happen when you openly deploy hundreds of thousands of troops along a border.
Not really gonna argue on the rest but do you remember everyone ridiculing the government for saying it was going to happen?
Posted on 9/16/23 at 10:41 am to cypher
Budanov is playing the long game with Crimea. He’s using intelligence sources to find targets like the S-400 system and in the dry dock in Sevastopol or the ammo dump in N Crimea a couple weeks back. Ukraine is basically just chipping away at Crimea’s strength and their air defense primarily while using their naval drones to attack ships but I wouldn’t say they any kind of invasion is imminent. I actually think this thing ends with Crimea either being Russian or A DMZ of sorts and an independent entity from both parties. The real question for me is where the lines will be drawn in Ukraine itself. I believe a return to pre Feb 2022 border lines could be seen as nothing but a massive victory for Ukraine.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 10:45 am to SoFla Tideroller
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So, it's the US's job to police the world when the local regional powers (Western Europe) are completely capable of handling matters themselves? It's irrelevant what Russia would or would not have done depending on Ukraine's status with NATO. Western Europe can handle their own area. Russia is no threat to come storming through the Fulda Gap and subjugate the continent. They can barely get a ship out of harbor. So, again, what is the justification for US involvement and draining our Treasury?
America and UK with the approval of Western Europe convinced Ukraine to give up their nuclear weapons after the collapse of the USSR in exchange for our guarantee of their sovereignty. If America's guarantee is worthless, they should have kept the damn nukes or maybe they'll just make so new ones going forward. I'm sure they still have the know-how.
This post was edited on 9/16/23 at 11:01 am
Posted on 9/16/23 at 12:11 pm to LSUPilot07
I don’t see Ukraine getting all their pre-2022 land back without giving crimea to Russia.
Since the beginning of this thing, I’ve seen the one path out as Ukraine maintaining either 2022 or 2014 borders (sans crimea) and recognizing crimea as Russian.
You have to look at this conflict from a 2014 perspective, not 2022. Russia started chipping away in 2014 and this is the culmination. Crimea being demilitarized would mean Russia obtained absolutely nothing since 2014 and they will not accept that. They have to get something or they’ll keep throwing meat into the grinder.
Ukraine getting everything back and crimea being a DMZ would be a huge win for Ukraine.
Since the beginning of this thing, I’ve seen the one path out as Ukraine maintaining either 2022 or 2014 borders (sans crimea) and recognizing crimea as Russian.
You have to look at this conflict from a 2014 perspective, not 2022. Russia started chipping away in 2014 and this is the culmination. Crimea being demilitarized would mean Russia obtained absolutely nothing since 2014 and they will not accept that. They have to get something or they’ll keep throwing meat into the grinder.
Ukraine getting everything back and crimea being a DMZ would be a huge win for Ukraine.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 1:43 pm to Hateradedrink
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You have to look at this conflict from a 2014 perspective, not 2022. Russia started chipping away in 2014 and this is the culmination. Crimea being demilitarized would mean Russia obtained absolutely nothing since 2014 and they will not accept that. They have to get something or they’ll keep throwing meat into the grinder.
Ukraine getting everything back and crimea being a DMZ would be a huge win for Ukraine.
This is why Biden has withheld ATACMS and F-16s to this point. Biden wanted Ukraine to be successful in retaking the "land bridge" in the South, but he did not want Ukraine to be able to retake Crimea, because the loss of Crimea would be destabilizing for Russia -- Putin might not survive.
Unfortunately (from the perspective of the Biden administration), Europe made F-16s happen and is forcing the administration's hand on ATACMS. The attempt to "thread the needle" has failed, and the end result might be that Ukraine disables Russian military bases on Crimea.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 1:43 pm to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 9/16/23 at 7:42 pm to GOP_Tiger
This story is a week old, but I don't think that we talked about it.
LINK
The old Perun video on Russian ammo production estimated a max of 3.4 million shells a year. Producing two million only lets Russia fire off 5500 per day.
The tank losses are a bigger problem. Russia has lost an average of 4.2 tanks per day in this war and is making 0.55 tanks per day. That can't continue.
There are also trends for Ukraine that can't continue. I remain very skeptical of anyone who is sure that they know how the war ends.
LINK
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WASHINGTON, Sept 8 (Reuters) - Russia may be able to increase production of artillery in the next couple years to about 2 million shells annually, about double some previous Western expectations but still far short of Moscow's Ukraine war needs, a Western official said on Friday.
The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, estimated Russia fired between 10 million and 11 million rounds last year in Ukraine. Moscow launched its invasion in February 2022.
"That's the predicament they've got," the official told a small group of reporters.
"If you expended 10 million rounds last year and you're in the middle of a fight and you can only produce 1 to 2 million rounds a year, I don't think that's a very strong position."
Other Russia investments in its defense sector may also allow Moscow to produce close to 200 tanks a year, double some previous Western estimates, the official said. But that too, the official said, was a far cry from what it needs after suffering heavy losses in Ukraine.
The old Perun video on Russian ammo production estimated a max of 3.4 million shells a year. Producing two million only lets Russia fire off 5500 per day.
The tank losses are a bigger problem. Russia has lost an average of 4.2 tanks per day in this war and is making 0.55 tanks per day. That can't continue.
There are also trends for Ukraine that can't continue. I remain very skeptical of anyone who is sure that they know how the war ends.
This post was edited on 9/16/23 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 9/16/23 at 9:39 pm to GOP_Tiger
The lack of accuracy of Russian artillery means a lot more shells required than Ukraine using western artillery
Posted on 9/16/23 at 11:08 pm to CitizenK
What about spare parts etc
Posted on 9/16/23 at 11:10 pm to CitizenK
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CitizenK
You are literally the most ignorant poster in this thread. Everything you say is either stupid or made up out of thin air. The Q tarde contribute more than you do. You are quite possible my the most inconsequential person on the planet.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 11:34 pm to TutHillTiger
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What about spare etc
Russia has worn a lot of tubes out.
Posted on 9/17/23 at 4:21 am to CitizenK
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 17 September 2023
In recent days, Russian forces have likely reinforced their defences around the occupied town of Tokmak in southern Ukraine, which is approximately 16 km behind the current front line.
Russia is likely deploying additional checkpoints, 'hedgehog' anti-tank defences and digging new trenches in the area, which is held by its 58th Combined Arms Army.
Tokmak is preparing to become a lynchpin of Russian's second main line of defences. Improvements to the town's defences likely indicates Russia's growing concern about Ukrainian tactical penetrations of the first main defensive line to the north.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 17 September 2023
In recent days, Russian forces have likely reinforced their defences around the occupied town of Tokmak in southern Ukraine, which is approximately 16 km behind the current front line.
Russia is likely deploying additional checkpoints, 'hedgehog' anti-tank defences and digging new trenches in the area, which is held by its 58th Combined Arms Army.
Tokmak is preparing to become a lynchpin of Russian's second main line of defences. Improvements to the town's defences likely indicates Russia's growing concern about Ukrainian tactical penetrations of the first main defensive line to the north.
Posted on 9/17/23 at 7:33 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Have fun in your ignorance
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