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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/9/23 at 5:53 am to
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 5/9/23 at 5:53 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 9 May 2023

On 28 April 2023, the head of the self-declared Donetsk People's Republic, announced that regional water supplies were dangerously low. Water scarcity has been a growing issue for Russian-occupied Donetsk since Russia's 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

The Siversky-Donets canal which supplies the region remains largely under Ukrainian control but has been frequently contested along its long route. Russian forces have likely been seeking to secure the canal to reduce water scarcity within Donetsk.

The Siversky-Donets canal traverses through the town of Chasiv Yar, approximately 6km to the west of Bakhmut. Russia's heavy use of indirect artillery to support the capture of Bakhmut and surrounding territory has likely inflicted collateral damage to the canal and other regional water infrastructure, undermining Russia's efforts to remedy the lack of water that its invasion originally created. To compensate for its lack of success in capturing and retaining the canal, Russia is likely constructing a water pipeline to mitigate the water shortage within Donetsk City. However, this is highly unlikely to fully compensate for the occupied regions' reduced access to water.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 5/9/23 at 6:23 am to
Random tweets

I know this is in French but I'm pretty sure you don't need to know French to read this
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Guerre d'Ukraine - Semaine 18

Gains ukrainiens
En complément de la synthèse d'hier.

Secteurs :
?? Kupiansk : + 6 km²
?? Siversk : + 0.55 km²
?? Bakhmut : + 0.15 km²
?? Avdiivka : + 8 km²
?? Pavlivka : + 51 km²

LINK

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Yevgeny Prigozhin reports that the place where Wagner keeps their Ukrainian POWs was hit with HIMARS missiles. War reporters and investigators are en route to document what happened.

LINK

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The #Netherlands may transfer F-16 combat aircraft to #Ukraine

According to Prime Minister Mark Rutte, the issue of the supply of F-16 fighters is being discussed with the United States, Great Britain and Denmark.

LINK

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The #Russian Ambassador to #Poland failed to lay a wreath at the memorial in #Warsaw.

The citizens forced him to leave the place.

LINK

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Russian May 9th Parade 2023 vehicle composition thread. Now we finally get to compare this year's parade to the previous years'.

This year I have not seen an official lineup released for the first time.

Last year 131 vehicles took part, down from over 200 the previous years

I am expecting under 100 vehicles, with a distinct lack of MBTs compared to other years. Overall numbers will be pumped up by an increase in Tigr-Ms and similar.

First we have to get wait for the troops to leave Red Square before the vehicles come through.

As per tradition, the parade opens with WW2 era T-34-85s.

This year it is again just a single T-34-85.

This is immediately followed by 7 Tigr-Ms

(Total Vehicle Count: 8)

Getting an accurate count of the next set of vehicles was hard due to camera angles changing, but there are 6 VPK-Urals

(Total Vehicle Count: 14)

These were followed by 10 Remdiesel Z-STS Akhmat MRAPs which are only used by Chechen forces.

(Total Vehicle Count: 24)

Immediately followed by 6 Iskander-M lead by a BTR-82A meaning we skipped the entirety of the IFV and MBT section from last year

(Total Vehicle Count: 31)

Followed by 6 S-400 TELs lead by a BTR-82A skipping the short range air defense and entire VDV section from last year.

(Total Vehicle Count: 38)

The parade then skipped right to the end with the 3 RS-24 Yars lead by a BTR-82A and flanked by 6 Tigr-Ms. This skipped their usual display of their unmanned ground vehicles. (Total Vehicle Count: 48)

Finally the 3 VPK-7829 Bumerang IFVs closed off the parade. (FINAL VEHICLE COUNT: 51)

The flyover is expectedly cancelled. As no rehearsals had taken place, this was a guarantee.

Since the invasion the amount of vehicles in the annual parade has plummeted into a pitiful display:
2021: 197
2022: 131
2023: 51

No reason for Ukraine to do anything at the parade. The Russian military is perfectly capable of embarrassing itself.

I am amazed they couldn't even drag one of the T-14s to the parade.

To even get to 51 vehicles, the Russian military had to "borrow" 10 Remdiesel Ahmat Z-STS from Ramzan Kadyrov.

LINK
Posted by yurintroubl
Dallas, Tx.
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 5/9/23 at 6:42 am to
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Yevgeny Prigozhin reports that the place where Wagner keeps their Ukrainian POWs was hit with HIMARS missiles. War reporters and investigators are en route to document what happened.


Suuuuuuuuuuuuure.

99% chance this is a shitty attempt to cover up war crimes.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 6:57 am to
Finally, the Washington Post reports on the elephant in the room. I have believed for months that the British decision to provide Storm Shadow missiles is the decisive factor in Ukraine's hopes for ultimate victory in the war.

That's because Storm Shadow can take out the Kerch Bridge, can hit any Russian ship or sub at Sevastopol, and makes Crimea untenable for Russian troops. Storm Shadow means that Ukraine takes Crimea.

Free read LINK

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Britain, which has prided itself on being ahead of its Western allies in introducing new weapons systems to Ukraine, now appears poised to send Kyiv the long-range missiles the Biden administration has long denied it.

In a procurement notice posted May 2 by the British-led International Fund for Ukraine, a group of northern European countries that has set up a mechanism to send weapons to the battlefield, the United Kingdom’s Defense Ministry asked for “expressions of interest” in providing strike capabilities with a range of up to 300 kilometers, or nearly 200 miles. The notice asked for responses within three days.

No final decision has been made, according to a British official who declined to confirm the type, timing or quantity of weaponry under consideration. But the notice is a substantive step toward Britain itself supplying such munitions, and the requested specifications and capabilities closely match its air-launched Storm Shadow cruise missiles.


I was initially confused about the procurement notice, but I eventually decided that it was simply the mechanism by which these missiles would be sent.

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Storm Shadows can be mounted on Ukraine’s Soviet-made jets and reach into Russian territory. Kyiv has long sought that capability, and tried to ease Western escalation fears with pledges it would refrain from using donated weapons in such attacks.


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Concerns that Ukraine would fire missiles at targets in Russia is a key reason the administration has repeatedly rebuffed Ukrainian pleas to supply long-range U.S. munitions.
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British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has dismissed talk among Ukraine’s benefactors of their depleted stockpiles. “If there is a moment in this conflict we can make a difference, why not seize it? What are we waiting for?” he asked of European allies at the Munich Security Conference in February. “What is the purpose of these stockpiles? If the weapons are degrading Russian armed forces, that is increasing our security.”

Weeks before those remarks, according to a previously unreported file included among the classified U.S. documents leaked online through the Discord messaging platform, U.S. intelligence confirmed Britain intended to send Ukraine an unspecified number of Storm Shadow missiles, along with British personnel to aid in targeting.
“The United Kingdom will be the first country to provide Ukraine with longer range weapons,” Sunak said in his Munich speech.

Being first is something Britain has striven for throughout the war, beginning under former prime minister Boris Johnson. After the United States, Britain has been the second-largest supplier of Ukraine military aid — contributing $2.5 billion worth of munitions last year. Though that’s only a fraction of what Washington has provided, the British have claimed the cutting edge, sending some of the first shoulder-launched anti-air and antitank weapons to combat Russia’s February 2022 invasion, and more recently by training pilots on NATO-standard fighter jets.

In mid-January, Britain broke through allied reluctance to send heavy tanks to Ukraine by unilaterally announcing it would send 14 British-made Challenger tanks. The United States, Germany and others in Europe eventually followed suit in promising to send their own heavy armor.

“It’s a position the United Kingdom can uniquely do [since] Russia doesn’t like us very much anyway,” said the same British official, speaking on the condition of anonymity about internal alliance issues. “We know that if we give something it makes it slightly easier for others.”


There are simply two different factions in NATO right now. One is made up of the Talinn Group (including the UK), and this group wants Ukraine to win, period.

The other faction is made up of those are are afraid of a Russian loss and the potential for destabilizing Russia.

The Biden administration has both factions inside and can't make up its mind which to follow.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 5/9/23 at 8:16 am to
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“It’s a position the United Kingdom can uniquely do [since] Russia doesn’t like us very much anyway,” said the same British official, speaking on the condition of anonymity about internal alliance issues. “We know that if we give something it makes it slightly easier for others.”
This is a good point and he may not have been referring entirely to Germany and France. We've suspected that the US reluctance to send ATACMS may be because of China. But not necessarily to prevent their support of Putin. With all the escalation over Taiwan, the Pentagon may wish to keep their hands on all of these missiles they can. As they don't have the same level of responsibility re Taiwan, the UK is not as restrained.

I originally thought the Ukrainians already have some long range missiles and will apply them to the three bridges accessing Crimea from the mainland. However as no time to do this would be better than May 9, I am starting to wonder.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5647 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 8:21 am to
Today, the Department of Defense (DoD) announced a new security assistance package to reaffirm the steadfast U.S. support for Ukraine, including to bolster its air defenses and sustain its artillery ammunition needs. This package, which totals up to $1.2 billion, is being provided under the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI).

Unlike Presidential Drawdown authority (PDA), which DoD has continued to leverage to deliver equipment to Ukraine from DoD stocks at a historic pace, USAI is an authority under which the United States procures capabilities from industry or partners. This announcement represents the beginning of a contracting process to provide additional priority capabilities to Ukraine.

The capabilities in this package include:

Additional air defense systems and munitions;
Equipment to integrate Western air defense launchers, missiles, and radars with Ukraine’s air defense systems;
Ammunition for counter-Unmanned Aerial Systems;
155mm artillery rounds;
Commercial satellite imagery services;
Support for training, maintenance, and sustainment activities.
Posted by soccerfüt
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Member since May 2013
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Posted on 5/9/23 at 8:21 am to
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The Biden administration has both factions inside and can't make up its mind if it had breakfast this morning.
FIFY
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4332 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 8:43 am to
Meanwhile, in Turkieieie...
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President #Erdogan, 5 days before the elections, announced a 45% increase in the salaries of 700,000 civil servants.
Desperate much?

But with current inflation running over 50% annually, they may just break even. For this month.



And then there's the currency. Rumors that the Turkish civil servants are now demanding Zimbabwean dollars as payment are not confirmed.

quote:

... in the last 5ys the Lira went down from 0.2 to 0.05 compared to Euros. That is a loss of 75%. The remaining 25% get a raise of 50%. Meaning, we are at about 35% of income, compared to before 5ys.




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This post was edited on 5/9/23 at 8:46 am
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38448 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:17 am to
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But with current inflation running over 50% annually, they may just break even. For this month.


That’s what they get. It’s still Constantinople to me dammit!
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:51 am to
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The capabilities in this package include:

Additional air defense systems and munitions;
Equipment to integrate Western air defense launchers, missiles, and radars with Ukraine’s air defense systems;
Ammunition for counter-Unmanned Aerial Systems;
155mm artillery rounds;
Commercial satellite imagery services;
Support for training, maintenance, and sustainment activities.


That really doesn't sound like $1.2 billion. I have to wonder how much work the word "include" is doing here. Maybe there are high-value components in this package that are not specifically listed (maybe even ATACMS -- who knows).
This post was edited on 5/9/23 at 9:53 am
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
40932 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:53 am to
You're not counting the massive cut that never leaves the Beltway.
This post was edited on 5/9/23 at 9:57 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 10:09 am to
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This is a good point and he may not have been referring entirely to Germany and France. We've suspected that the US reluctance to send ATACMS may be because of China. But not necessarily to prevent their support of Putin. With all the escalation over Taiwan, the Pentagon may wish to keep their hands on all of these missiles they can. As they don't have the same level of responsibility re Taiwan, the UK is not as restrained.


I have said this before, but the US failure to send ATACMS is not due to supply.

First of all, the missiles are no longer in production, but the assembly line still exists. It's not a huge deal for Lockheed to restart it.

EDIT: I forgot that the US just a month ago approved the sale of ATACMS to Morocco. The assembly line IS ACTIVE.

But, beyond that, ATACMS, like other rockets, have an expiration date, and we have a number of them that have passed their dates. More will expire this year. I can't find the link now, but last summer, the Senate defense appropriations subcommittee inserted $100 million into the supplemental defense budget to restore those older ATACMS, which should have restored over 100 rockets, since they cost about $1 million each new. The Biden administration then intervened and got that money removed from the budget.

So, the DoD/Biden does not want us to have more usable ATACMS.

The failure to provide ATACMS to Ukraine, then, has only two possible causes:

1) Lingering fears of escalation and/or fear of destabilizing Russia in the event of a complete Russian loss, or

2) The secret deal that previously reported to exist between Biden and Xi: that China would stay out if the US would not provide aircraft or long-range weapons to Ukraine.

I really hope that the 2nd reason is the real one, because #1 is depressing.
This post was edited on 5/9/23 at 11:07 am
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13091 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 12:20 pm to
Could you elaborate on this, please?
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8599 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 1:07 pm to
Ukraine has only one UH-60A Black Hawk, the one with the cool black and blue paint job and Ukrainian flag colors that was sold to Ukraine from an private company and is in use by Ukrainian SOF intelligence. It did not come from U.S. military stocks.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15687 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 2:17 pm to
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1) Lingering fears of escalation and/or fear of destabilizing Russia in the event of a complete Russian loss, or


Maybe it's me but the longer this lasts the more the Russian public has invested, both blood/treasure and emotionally, the more likely this is to happen. Swift and total a year ago, would have been easier to swallow and easier for Putin to find a few fall guys to take the blame internally
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 2:22 pm to
We are paying their military and other bills with these funds.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 3:16 pm to
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We are paying their military and other bills with these funds.



Not with the particular funds that were announced today. We are paying their military and other bills with other funds.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 3:20 pm to
LINK

Official confirmation from the Pentagon that a Ukrainian Patriot missile shot down a Kinzhal.

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#BREAKING: Pentagon press secretary Gen. Patrick S. Ryder confirms Ukraine’s claim that it downed a Russian hypersonic Kinzhal-type ballistic missile using the Patriot air defense system.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
14810 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 3:44 pm to
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Official confirmation from the Pentagon that a Ukrainian Patriot missile shot down a Kinzhal.



their hypersonic missile is basically an air launched ballistic missile from what i understand. yes it is greater than Mach 5 before it hits, but is has a ballistic trajectory that doesn't maneuver. so right up a patriots wheelhouse....
Posted by yurintroubl
Dallas, Tx.
Member since Apr 2008
30192 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 3:56 pm to
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Official confirmation from the Pentagon that a Ukrainian Patriot missile shot down a Kinzhal.



IRL proof of what the system can do against Russia's "cutting edge ballistic superiority" should make for better Patriot system sales.
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