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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 11/9/22 at 2:03 pm to Chromdome35
Posted on 11/9/22 at 2:03 pm to Chromdome35
The little bit I find so confusing is the rhetoric about Nazis in Ukraine. When Jewish people are prominently among the supposed examples.
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Posted on 11/9/22 at 2:09 pm to molsusports
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The little bit I find so confusing is the rhetoric about Nazis in Ukraine. When Jewish people are prominently among the supposed examples.
Don't try to understand it because it doesn't make any sense, except in their heads.
Posted on 11/9/22 at 2:17 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:its intellectual dishonesty rooted in the fact that they hate the Biden government and the media. If both the MSM was largely ignorning this, and the Biden admin was supplying no aid whatsoever, the people concern trolling over "wasting tax dollars" and "not searching for a peace deal" would be banging their hands on the table and sky screaming over how our weak government just let Putin do whatever he wanted, how they are going to embolden China to act up, and how our MSM is too lazy to care and only focused on getting Trump
I think 75% of the opposition to Ukraine among the nutjob right is simply garden variety anti-Semitism. Because Zelensky is Jewish
This post was edited on 11/9/22 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 11/9/22 at 2:36 pm to molsusports
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The little bit I find so confusing is the rhetoric about Nazis in Ukraine. When Jewish people are prominently among the supposed examples.
With apologies to Ratatouille, "Not everyone can be a great fascist, but a great fascist can come from anywhere."
That a group has Jewish members does not mean that the group cannot be Nazi-like.
The real criticism of the "Nazi Ukrainian" bullshite is that at the beginning of the war, the Russians were asserting that "Nazism" was the same as belief in an independent Ukrainian nationalism. In other words, anyone who opposes Russia's invasion was, by definition, a Nazi. This concept and its explanation by actual Russian sources is discussed and documented in this thread.
Note the Wikipedia discussion of the propaganda, Wikipedia Article
This post was edited on 11/9/22 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 11/9/22 at 2:40 pm to WestCoastAg
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would be banging their hands on the table and sky screaming over how our weak government just let Putin do whatever he wanted,
They were probably doing this in 2014 when Obama was president and Putin annexed crimea.
Posted on 11/9/22 at 2:40 pm to WestCoastAg
Mostly I assume American Putin supporters are victims of online Russian propagandists. It’s definitely fascinating to see.
Posted on 11/9/22 at 2:58 pm to TigerDoc
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Kirill Stremousov, the former Yanukovich man & Russian collaborationist official in Kherson and notable poet of the immortal line "my homeland is whereever I drive my tank" is being reported dead by fellow Russian occupationist administrators on Russian telegram. Reported cause of death is a car "accident".
And the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs with a troll.
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Adhering to traffic safety rules can save lives! We remind drivers that a fastened seat belt significantly reduces the likelihood of injury during an accident and can save your life!
Posted on 11/9/22 at 3:12 pm to duggieblue
I am simply fricking amazed at the shite Wagner Group is able to get away with. Ordinary Russians are getting angrier and angrier at how the RU and the Generals are supposedly to blame for this clusterfrick of an invasion. This is what Putin is allowing but it screws over the publics faith in the military and therefore jeopardizes future mobilization and projected military strength. I mean as a dual citizen of Canada and America I’m glad- if you want to destroy your military and economy fricking have at it, but it’s startling.
Posted on 11/9/22 at 3:15 pm to Camp Randall
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Mostly I assume American Putin supporters are victims of online Russian propagandists. It’s definitely fascinating to see.
Some are David Duke acolytes
Posted on 11/9/22 at 3:21 pm to LSUCanFAN
quote:Eh, frick off you half-hoser.
as a dual citizen of Canada and America
Posted on 11/9/22 at 3:38 pm to LSUCanFAN
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I am simply fricking amazed at the shite Wagner Group is able to get away with.
That is what you get when you have come to depend on a PMC that ostensibly can take its ball and go home for a big chunk of your military prowess. Leaning on them for so much for the last 8 years has prevented them from seeing the holes in their military that graft and theft have caused.
It is one thing to use a PMC for black bag ops but when everyone knows who and what they are, partly due to Prigozhin needing to bask in the glory of the fatherland, plausible deniability tends to go out the window when they just become an irregular part of the regular military.
In reality, they have grown too quickly to be of the quality of the western PMCs and the fact they tend to outperform the regular units in the Russian military just highlights the shameful condition of the "world's #2".
Posted on 11/9/22 at 3:42 pm to lowspark12
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They were probably doing this in 2014 when Obama was president and Putin annexed crimea.
I'm not proud of how much time I put into this but I was able to find one post....
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jonboy
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:07 am
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One has to wonder what all Snowden told Russia. Does Russia contain info on our war plans...etc..
Snowden is no hero. He's a traitor who put our country - actually alot of country's - at risk. His arrival in Russia and subsequent Russian aggression indicates they know the playbook. Putin has been playing coy for a long time and is now seizing the initiative. Anyone who thinks Russia's behavior isn't going to have implications for the US might as well go ride the unicorns in ObamaCare land. They will continue the march into Eastern Europe claiming "protection" of ethnic Russians. Russia's low birthrates will mean very little when they can just seize a country or two and force it's population into military service. It's the same scheme Russia used that led to the Crimean War in the 19th century. Heck,the seige of Sevastol alone claimed 130,000 lives (ever heard of the place?). Only it was the Ottoman Empire - aka the Sick Man of Europe - and Greeks/Orthodox Christians that Russia claimed needed protection.The Russians never wanted to eliminate the Ottoman Empire in one shot. They wanted to extract as much out of it as they could and bleed it to death.
Guess who Putin thinks is the Sick Man now? I wonder where he got that info.....
I mean that was pretty damn spot on from 8 years ago
But here are some random ones:
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JEAUXBLEAUX
Since Russian hockey lost, will Putin take it out on Ukraine?Posted on 2/19/14
Make them suffer for daring to ask for the freedom to be part of Europe and not part of the Russian orbit?
LINK
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GooseSix
re: Ukraine is a proxy war between the EU and Russian Federation.Posted on 2/20/14 at 6:13 pm
As soon as the Olympics end Putin is going to go in dry on tUkraine...
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LSURussian
re: Ukraine's parliament has voted to oust President YanukovychPosted on 2/22/14 at 5:17 pm
The U.S. and the EU should let Putin know if Russia sends in the military, we will use force to protect the Ukrainian people.
But it's a moot point what I would do. Obama will play golf.
Ukraine's parliament has voted to oust President Yanukovych
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The current instability is driven by economic factors, the failure of the political class, and longstanding cultural divides within Ukraine.
Ukraine is in dire economic straights, the government is nearly bankrupt and it's facing several debt payment over the next year that it can not afford to make. Kiev approached the EU in the hope that Brussels would bail them out, but the resulting trade agreement fell well short of their requirements. They needed direct cash infusions that the EU was unwilling or incapable of providing. That explains why Kiev turned back to Moscow. Moscow in turn is worried about an economic collapse in Ukraine. The Russian economy is slowing and many worry that a downturn in Ukraine could spread.
Culture is critical as well. Ukraine was once part of Russia, but it spent centuries under foreign domination. The Polish-Lithuanian Kingdom seized much of Ukraine, converting the natives to Catholicism as they did. Ukrainian nationalism is rooted in this split. On one side is the former Polish territory which is Catholic, and on the other you have the still Orthodox region which was never part of the Polish Kingdom. The popularity of Maidan neatly overlays the lines of the old Polish state.
Making matters worse, you have Crimea a former Russian province that was gifted to Ukraine in 1954 by Nikita Khrushchev. Crimea remains very Russian, and it's the home of Russia's Black Sea Fleet. The residents of Crimea have little interest in being Ukrainian.
Unfortunately for all sides, the Ukrainian state has never been able to reconcile the long-standing cultural cleavages between each region.
The political leadership has been awful as well. For the past twenty years Ukraine has been ruled by a venal group of oligarchs bent on enriching themselves at the expense of their country. They appear to have little interest in building anything. Some of these oligarchs favor closer ties with Russia, others with the West. They'll go where the money is.
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A couple of closers.
Viktor Yanukovych isn't Moscow's man. He's spent the last few years trying to play Moscow and Brussels off each other. Apparently Putin despises him.
Yulia Tymoshenko is very charismatic and she was a powerful politician. Prison seems to have weakened her though, she does not look or sound like the women she was. That's unfortunate because she's one of the few people that could bring stability to Ukraine.
Post by Lima Whiskey
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That article is tad bit of sensationalism. They are not massing troops on the Ukraine border.
Feb 26 2014
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We should allow Russia to have influence in this region. We should tell them that with the exception of the Baltics any former member of the USSR and Finland is within their sphere of influence. Finland was on the side of the Nazi's during WWII and during the cold war they were a de facto ally of the USSR. Look up Findlandization.
Post by Ralph_Wiggum
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The truth: Obama doesn't give a crap. He doesn't care about the threats of Putin, the security of the American people, and least of all the United States of America as a nation.
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So much for pink lines. It's about to go down over there.
5-1 odds Obama keeps talking about 'consequences' and does nothing.
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Last one and probably a good thread to read a summary view:
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Forget what you think WILL happen given Obama being Putin's bitch (which I feel safe in saying is the overwhelming opinion on this board). What do you think the US SHOULD do, and why?
Explain why you believe your proposed approach is the best course of action for the US in the long term.
I can see both the "none of our business, stay out of it" and the "project force to maintain world order" opinions. I'm trying to form mine given long term consequences of each course of action (and any alternatives).
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Link to Page 9232 of the political board. Look up other threads from that time if you want
Posted on 11/9/22 at 3:46 pm to Chromdome35
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It is interesting how much antisemitism has emerged from the far right. There have been multiple examples of it since the war started.
At the same time it's coming from the far left, e.g. the BDS movement.
I also note that the new right wing Netanyahu government signaled a willingness to get more deeply involved in supplying weapons to Ukraine, while the previous left wing government had been slow playing it. Same in Europe, where antiwar sentiment is coming more from the left.
What's happening in this country is shoehorning domestic politics into an international issue. Russia identified this and has been trying to exploit it, with mixed success.
Posted on 11/9/22 at 3:51 pm to soccerfüt
quote:you already knew this soccer fig lol
Eh, frick off you half-hoser.
Posted on 11/9/22 at 6:11 pm to GOP_Tiger
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I worked in that world full-time for ten years, and I've since been out of it for that long. I've spent far too much time with politicians and gotten to know some of them rather well, and what you wrote is simply not true.
The wife of a biz and personal friend served in many elected capacities in the Corpus Christi area for a number of years. Losing her bid for mayor, several years ago, was a gift. They finally were able to go to dinner and not have someone stop by their table to complain about something. her service was about a sense of duty to the community which had given them so much.
He had been approached a few decades ago to run for mayor and he declined.
Posted on 11/9/22 at 7:14 pm to CitizenK
Posted on 11/9/22 at 7:49 pm to SlimTigerSlap
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Russian soldier attempting to murder his comrade on the retreat out of Kherson.
Well, that's not very nice. Not a very effective killing machine either, reach down and grab him at the ankles comrade.
Posted on 11/9/22 at 8:02 pm to Obtuse1
meanwhile on the poliboard
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Women belong at home taking care of their children and following their husband. The 19th amendment ruined America as we know it.
Posted on 11/9/22 at 8:04 pm to Chromdome35
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Russian forces leaving Kherson - Defense Minister Shoigu ordered troops to begin the withdrawal of troops across the Dnieper River. Overall commander Surovikin reported that the formations would soon occupy defensive lines on the left bank of the river.
HIMARs and Ukrainian conventional artillery about to eat.
Coming soon to a Dnieper River crossing near Kherson.
Posted on 11/9/22 at 8:26 pm to WestCoastAg
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Women belong at home taking care of their children and following their husband. The 19th amendment ruined America as we know it.
I see the disdain for the 19A all the time here and I often wonder how much is serious and how much is just edge-lording.
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