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Snowden, Russia, and USA

Posted on 3/19/14 at 11:14 pm
Posted by darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
7701 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 11:14 pm
Just read a headline and will post the link. One has to wonder what all Snowden told Russia. Does Russia contain info on our war plans...etc..

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“We may see some things immediately that might indicate that they have things, but it will create a great deal of uncertainty for years,” said Mark Lowenthal, president of the Intelligence and Security Academy and former CIA assistant director of central intelligence for analysis and production.





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American officials have also noticed some intelligence sources drying up.







Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
65809 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 11:23 pm to
Give those sources some food stamp money.
Posted by JazzyJeff
Japan
Member since Sep 2006
3938 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 11:48 pm to
America needs more Americans like Snowden.
Posted by darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
7701 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 11:56 pm to
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America needs more Americans like Snowden.


Not if he went there and gave up strategic information.
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
51891 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 12:24 am to
Putin wil end up trading Snowden to the U.S. in exchange or the U.S. stepping aside as Putin finishes carving off the Balkins.
Posted by Markie812
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2007
2942 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 12:45 am to
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Not if he went there and gave up strategic information


This administration could have given him immunity and he would not have ended up in Russia. He told the American people things that they needed to know and had to get the hell out of here of fear he would be imprisoned for the rest of his life.
Posted by M. A. Ryland
silver spring, MD
Member since Dec 2005
2145 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 1:17 am to
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America needs more Americans like Snowden.


He was a spy. He did a lot of damage to this country.
Posted by TOKEN
Member since Feb 2014
11990 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 1:22 am to
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He was a spy. He did a lot of damage to this country.


I believe he is a mixed bag. My feeling are all over the map on Snowden but I am glad we know about some of the things the NSA was doing.
Posted by JazzyJeff
Japan
Member since Sep 2006
3938 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 1:38 am to
quote:

He was a spy. He did a lot of damage to this country.
The American government is a parasite to not only the American people, but to the world.

We need more Snowdens.
This post was edited on 3/20/14 at 1:39 am
Posted by jonboy
Member since Sep 2003
7468 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:07 am to
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One has to wonder what all Snowden told Russia. Does Russia contain info on our war plans...etc..


Snowden is no hero. He's a traitor who put our country - actually alot of country's - at risk. His arrival in Russia and subsequent Russian aggression indicates they know the playbook. Putin has been playing coy for a long time and is now seizing the initiative. Anyone who thinks Russia's behavior isn't going to have implications for the US might as well go ride the unicorns in ObamaCare land. They will continue the march into Eastern Europe claiming "protection" of ethnic Russians. Russia's low birthrates will mean very little when they can just seize a country or two and force it's population into military service. It's the same scheme Russia used that led to the Crimean War in the 19th century. Heck,the seige of Sevastol alone claimed 130,000 lives (ever heard of the place?). Only it was the Ottoman Empire - aka the Sick Man of Europe - and Greeks/Orthodox Christians that Russia claimed needed protection.The Russians never wanted to eliminate the Ottoman Empire in one shot. They wanted to extract as much out of it as they could and bleed it to death.
Guess who Putin thinks is the Sick Man now? I wonder where he got that info.....
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 3:43 am to
Snowden is no hero, he's a painfully naive fool.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 6:25 am to
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He's a traitor


he is a patriot. He saw the abuses, and trie to report them OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

The waate of money that is our government ignored him, and as a patriot...he stood up for our.constitution. Sadly our.government has become so corrupt, those who aleet us to abuses of our civil liberties are prosecuted. Despite whistleblower laws and the campaign lies of Barrack Hussein Obama.

frick yiu statist pricks.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
46369 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 6:42 am to
Mixed feelings about Snowden. We do need more people willing to risk their lives and jobs to do the right thing. Americans needed to know how deeply we were being betrayed by our own government.

However, he's no patriot. Not when he then tells all our secrets to our enemies and put the country at risk.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
56147 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 6:47 am to
My sentiments exactly.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115478 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 6:52 am to
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Putin wil end up trading Snowden to the U.S. in exchange or the U.S. stepping aside as Putin finishes carving off the Balkins


Baltics?
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 6:57 am to
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Not when he then tells all our secrets to our enemies


what secrets?
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85117 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 6:57 am to
quote:

We do need more people willing to risk their lives and jobs to do the right thing. Americans needed to know how deeply we were being betrayed by our own government.

However, he's no patriot. Not when he then tells all our secrets to our enemies and put the country at risk.


True...

He said on his video chat with SXSW that he wanted to go straight to Congress and the public with the information, but he knew that he would be black bagged.

I don't think he is a hero and hold him in some high regard, but I also don't condemn him. Im neutral. I think what he exposed needed to be exposed and I have seen no evidence that he has done anything to directly put American lives at risk.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
46369 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 7:04 am to
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what secrets?


Russia isn't letting him stay there unless he's giving them payment of some sort. Although, that payment might just be the illusion he is giving them something useful. Russia's could be using that illusion as a stick in US' eye. Don't think they will keep him forever without making him give something up. Russians don't cry about waterboarding & even more "enhanced" interrogation techniques. He may have had no intentions of telling anything but he will eventually.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
28024 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 7:10 am to
If Snowden only let the American people know about the NSA domestic spying, then he did the right thing.

But if he's giving information to an enemy, then frick that traitor.
Posted by Big12fan
Dallas
Member since Nov 2011
5340 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:04 am to
There is very little in this world that is either black or white, good or bad.

In Snowden's case, you have to weigh the benefits of his being a whistle blower with the harm that he may have caused by blowing the lid on the whole operation. There is not much chance that the NSA will alter is operations much, so in effect Snowden has caused more harm than good. If his actions weakened national security, then he should be considered a traitor. You just do not do that to a country that has given you so much.

There are limits to the good that complete openess can bring. Embolding your enemies in the process is something a reasonable person in his position should have considered before he (in actuality forfeited his citizenship).
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