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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 10/14/22 at 2:48 pm to Coeur du Tigre
Posted on 10/14/22 at 2:48 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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A bit late, but the Ministry of Defense is trying to stop criticism and control the narrative
The results of the mobilization on these new untrained troops is going to be rough (they're already having KIA among the newly mobilized) and they're obviously trying to keep these guys on side when/if things get bloodier.
ETA: I'm also seeing now a claim from a Russian war correspondent that Girkin has joined one of the new mobilized Russian units.
ETA2: Looks like Girkin joins up it is!
This post was edited on 10/15/22 at 7:43 am
Posted on 10/14/22 at 2:54 pm to Coeur du Tigre
All of these telegram channels have been cheer leaders for Russia since the start of the war. It is the ultimate irony that the very government they have been pumping is going to throw them all in jail.
These telegram channels have been great sources for information, I hope they survive
These telegram channels have been great sources for information, I hope they survive
This post was edited on 10/14/22 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 10/14/22 at 2:59 pm to Coeur du Tigre
At which point that rogue's gallery is being investigated by Russia, I imagine that's significant evidence that Russia believes it is in a bad, bad spot.
Posted on 10/14/22 at 3:16 pm to tigeraddict
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My first thought “are they paying these cyber trolls or are they doing this for mother Russia”. Second thought “do they really this they are having any impact”
Someone posted a well written article on Russia cyber troll farms ITT. If the article is to be believed it is a very well organized system.
Posted on 10/14/22 at 3:18 pm to Solo Cam
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More escalation and more military industrial complex.
It appears Biden refuses to diffuse this and will continue escalation. We may truly be on the brink....
Oh shut up you pussy. The only way to "diffuse" Putin is to give him what he wants. What kind of message would that send to all the murderous dictators of the world? And what kind of new nuclear arms race would that kick off?
Posted on 10/14/22 at 3:20 pm to lsu777
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n this thread usually only have 3 or 4 true zelensky cucks and they are the same well known liberals from the poliboard.
I’m not sure what qualifies as a Zelensky cuck, but I am impressed by him. I know almost nothing about him, his rise to power or his policies. But his decision to stay in Kyiv rather than exile was an objectively courageous and difference making decision. His ability to hold the country and government together through 7 months of invasion seems like a guy rising to the occasion rather than being overwhelmed.
But mostly I think the Zelensky is a corrupt/puppet/globalist/whatever is mostly just whatabout-ism to create some equivalency between his misdeeds and Putin’s so as to deflect against Putin criticism.
Posted on 10/14/22 at 3:35 pm to ned nederlander
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I’m not sure what qualifies as a Zelensky cuck, but I am impressed by him. I
What impresses me the most about Zelensky is that he has been the elected president of Ukraine for less than three years and he has been responsible for decades of corruption in the Ukraine, thd Ukrainian Nazis, dozens of Bio Labs, aiding Hunter Biden, money laundering in Obama’s term, the coup of 2014 and the Russian invasion of the Donbas and the Russian takeover of Crimea.
Posted on 10/14/22 at 3:43 pm to doubleb
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What impresses me the most about Zelensky is that he has been the elected president of Ukraine for less than three years and he has been responsible for decades of corruption in the Ukraine, thd Ukrainian Nazis, dozens of Bio Labs, aiding Hunter Biden, money laundering in Obama’s term, the coup of 2014 and the Russian invasion of the Donbas and the Russian takeover of Crimea.

Posted on 10/14/22 at 4:05 pm to stout
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You guys keep buying it was old tech but that too is a lie. They actually stripped some new modern rifles from some of our guys to send over there.
This is what tells me you take positions on a few tweets and never bother to understand what is actually happening. I know the rifles you are talking about and the fact you call them modern means you don't have a clue.
A lot of your discussion of the transfer of assets was derived from single Tweets or articles that were either unsubstantiated or proven wrong.
You talk about all the money being sent but in reality, only a small amount of the transfer is money. Fully 1/3rd of the initial ~$48B was to pay ourselves for intel gathering. You can bet your arse we would have gathered every bit of that even if we didn't pass it on to Ukraine. The ability to study the actual strategy/tactics of another quasi-superpower in war is invaluable.
You can be non-interventionalist and/or send no foreign aid anywhere, I respect that. However, don't try to add strength to your argument by claiming things you are unwilling to cite. The thing is everything you have referenced has been hashed out here in detail. This is not a thread you can come into unprepared and make any headway.
Posted on 10/14/22 at 4:11 pm to notiger1997
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Then Stout, the king of contractors and renovations in the Lake Charles area who pretends to be a scholar in international studies, came in and has lost his mind.
I like how you post about me being a contractor (I am more than a typical contractor FWIW) as if that invalidates my opinion compared to everyone else's. I had no idea everyone else ITT are all foriegn policy experts and I am just a lowly ole contractor punching above my head.
I also like this response earlier
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I haven’t seen any “Zelinsky cucks” in this thread. Ukrainian’s president could be named Smith and the situation would be the same.
But if Zelensky were named Smith, then giving aid to Ukraine wouldn't be so obviously part of the international Zionist conspiracy to control the world.
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I've enjoyed the Putin Parrots somehow managing to simultaneously believe that Zelensky is both part of an international Zionist conspiracy and a literal Nazi, or at least Nazi sympathizer
So no one ITT is a "Zelensky Cuck" but EVERYONE that has a differing opinion is a "Putin Parrot" or "Putin fanboy" that is here on behalf of the Kremlin.
Man, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Hypocrisy much?
This post was edited on 10/14/22 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 10/14/22 at 4:25 pm to stout
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In the Bakhmut sector, the assault detachments of the Wagner PMC continue to advance south of Bakhmut. Fierce battles are going on in Experienced. Separate units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine withdrew from Otradovka to Kurdyumovka.
??The formations of the 93rd mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, defending this sector, suffer significant losses in manpower. One of the formation's companies arbitrarily left its positions and departed for the Druzhkovka area.
??Among the local residents of Bakhmut, unconfirmed information is being circulated about the liberation of a furniture factory in the east of the village by PMC Wagner fighters.
??Due to the destruction of the ultra-shortwave repeater and interruptions in the Starlink satellite communication system, communication between the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been disrupted. In Toretsk, one of the artillery units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine hit its own position.
??Despite the critical situation for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the decision to withdraw the military contingent from Bakhmut was not made. However, in the vicinity of Chasy Yar, a group was sent to conduct reconnaissance and search for a suitable area for the Soledar OTC command post in case of withdrawal.
??In the Soledarsky sector, units of the Russian Armed Forces continue fighting in the Disputed sector. The command of the 10th Mountain Assault Brigade expects an active Russian offensive along the entire front line.
??In order to contain the advance, Ukrainian artillery and army aviation are firing barrage at the areas of advance of Russian troops.
Elon is giving me the absolute sads.
Posted on 10/14/22 at 4:27 pm to stout
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I would not be shocked if the labs had existed
The biological labs existed, just like hundreds likely thousands across the world. The fact that people attributed nefarious intent to them based on nothing more than their feels is the issue.
Posted on 10/14/22 at 4:30 pm to stout
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So no one ITT is a "Zelensky Cuck" but EVERYONE that has a differing opinion is a "Putin Parrot" or "Putin fanboy" that is here on behalf of the Kremlin. Man, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Hypocrisy much?
Nope. But anyone holding the contradictory position that Zelensky is both a Zionist and a Nazi is a hopeless Putin Parrot.
And there seems to be a lot of those running around.
Posted on 10/14/22 at 4:33 pm to stout
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Still billions unaccounted for both in cash and stolen weapons that have come up for sale on the black market.
Link?
Posted on 10/14/22 at 4:40 pm to Obtuse1
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You guys keep buying it was old tech but that too is a lie. They actually stripped some new modern rifles from some of our guys to send over there.
The Ukrainian ALs don’t even use the same ammunition as American M4s. Stripping Americans of M4s to send to the Ukrainians would be extremely stupid which does sound like Biden.
Posted on 10/14/22 at 4:51 pm to ned nederlander
I've been thinking about why the Ukrainians haven't initiated another big push in their offensives in the East and in the South, and I don't know why I haven't connected the dots. I think news from two days ago is the key factor:
A five-week basic training is going to produce competent soldiers. They will be ready to fight, unlike the poor Russian mobiks who are getting sent to the front with a day or two of training, if that.
And a huge block of 10,000 troops returning to the front lines in the next day or two provides the force needed to back up another big offensive.
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10 000 Ukrainian soldiers have just finished their military training in the UK and are now heading back to Ukraine to fight.
They are the second batch to finish their training in the UK.
A five-week basic training is going to produce competent soldiers. They will be ready to fight, unlike the poor Russian mobiks who are getting sent to the front with a day or two of training, if that.
And a huge block of 10,000 troops returning to the front lines in the next day or two provides the force needed to back up another big offensive.
Posted on 10/14/22 at 5:01 pm to stout
As I see it there are 3 different view points. The crowd that support Ukraine and giving them weapons as long as they fight the way they have been. Then you have the Russian apologists or Russian bots who think Putin is a god and can do no wrong. Then you have the crowd that are terrified the world is going to end in a nuclear war from this conflict and people will freeze or starve or whatever else bad can happen. OML leads that last group proudly. I’m a Trump Republican and a veteran that is always concerned about some of the crazy spending the left has saddled the country with but honestly the 60 billion or whatever the number is now is a drop in the bucket compared to some of their other ideas like paying back student loans and the green new deal and all these other whack job ideas would cost. It’s important to have a leader in the world society and that has been us since WW2. Sometimes that involves us interdicting when other nations do unhinged things like Putin invading a sovereign country. If we hadn’t intervened along with other NATO countries then Putin rolls over Ukraine and is embolden thinking nobody will bother to stop him from taking back even smaller Soviet bloc countries than Ukraine. So basically where is your line? Would you be ok with Putin restoring Soviet lines and therefore the industries in those countries as well? You can’t allow that and when Ukraine stuck their foot in the ground and refused to be rolled over and their leaders refused to be extracted by our special forces to the United States it made it an easy decision in my mind to send them weapons to teach Putin a lesson and hopefully throw him out of power. The damage Ukraine has done to the Russian military will take many many years and a ridiculous hit to their economy to restore to it’s pre invasion capability. They have been reduced to a laughing stock on the world stage and any bargaining power they have has been destroyed. You don’t have to agree and that’s ok but someone has to be the world police to keep everyone in check and that is us for better or worse. What Putin did should never happen in this modern age. He thinks he can just roll through whatever lands he feels like just like Hitler did. Hitler at least had a competent armed forces behind him until he met American industrial power and then it was over but Putin has a rag tag army of outdated equipment and poorly trained soldiers that for years has been thought to be the world’s 2nd biggest superpower. That’s all over with now. He can withdraw across the border today and I guarantee you Zelensky would agree to end the war and still give Russia Crimea but Putin’s ego will not allow it so he might lose it all.
This post was edited on 10/14/22 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 10/14/22 at 5:07 pm to WeeWee
Maybe Z has taken Baxmut. Probably not yet.
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@BhadraPunchline 3h Ukrainian army units have begun retreat from Bakhmut, and Russian forces who encircled the city on 3 sides are preparing to enter. Massive defeat for Ukrainian military. Bakhmut is lynchpin of Kiev’s defence line in Donetsk & communication hub for supply.
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