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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:26 am to Mo Jeaux
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:26 am to Mo Jeaux
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Imagine being on the same side of an issue as Vladimir Putin, Bashar al-Assad
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Enjoy cheering for the CIA-backed Islamic State, er, I mean "moderate anti-Assad rebels".
i HoPE thEY bOTh lOsE
This post was edited on 6/21/22 at 10:05 am
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Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:30 am to SirWinston
For once I agree with you on something. Russia never invaded if someone like Trump or Reagan is in office because the Russians feared them and what they might do in response. With our current leadership they know we won’t do anything beyond sending munitions and they are even walking that back now. This is not the poli board and I don’t want to start a political argument but I just don’t see how any American with working eyes and a brain can see what this current administration is all about and choose to vote for them again. It just goes beyond my level of reasoning to understand how that can be possible.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:39 am to LSUPilot07
For once I will partially disagree with something you’ve posted. I agree the invasion of Ukraine wouldn’t have happened under Reagan and would go so far as to say probably not under Bush Sr and W. After watching Trumps reaction to Putin in Helsinki though and after his initial reaction to the invasion I believe that there is either a suitable amount of money lent to the Trump organization after the Casino failure and beyond or that there is enough kompromat on Trump that he would have at the very least given tacit approval and done nothing. BTW voted for DJT the first time find Biden woefully inept in all areas except for the war in Ukraine.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:51 am to SirWinston
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Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump would both understand that Russia is not in the top 20 threats to the present day United States.
Russia is a clear and present danger to Europe. You've got to help your trading partners if you want the US to continue being the strongest economy in the world. Furthermore it is in American interests to support democracy worldwide rather than letting a nation fall under authoritarianism. Even if it is an imperfect democracy
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:53 am to Tigeralum2008
Western European "liberal" authoritarianism is a far greater threat to America than Russia is. It's frankly the reason I'm "rooting" for Russia (although I'm honest enough to admit the outcome of Russia / Ukraine is probably quite irrelevant to this concern).
I understand that most people won't agree with me on this, but there it is. No 1st or 2nd amendment in any recognisable iteration, property rights eroded, bodily autonomy eroded. That's all going to happen in our lifetimes if the bad guys (ie - every power broker behind Ukraine these past ~ 9 years) get their way.
I understand that most people won't agree with me on this, but there it is. No 1st or 2nd amendment in any recognisable iteration, property rights eroded, bodily autonomy eroded. That's all going to happen in our lifetimes if the bad guys (ie - every power broker behind Ukraine these past ~ 9 years) get their way.
This post was edited on 6/21/22 at 10:01 am
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:05 am to LSUCanFAN
I think Biden could be holding the rest of Western Europe far more accountable than he has been as this conflict has the potential to hurt them more than us just due to geography. It seems like it’s basically just us and Britain that are supplying 95% of the weapons Ukraine needs when countries like Germany, France and Italy among others could be contributing more than they are. We can’t strip our entire heavy artillery and rocket systems bare while other countries send 3 or 4 pieces like France with their CAESAR systems and Germany with their PHZ2000. He could also make sanctions on Russia even harder if he truly wanted to in order to devalue the ruble further but it just feels all half measured to me.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:07 am to SirWinston
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I understand that most people won't agree with me on this, but there it is. No 1st or 2nd amendment in any recognisable iteration, property rights eroded, bodily autonomy eroded. That's all going to happen in our lifetimes if the bad guys (ie - every power broker behind Ukraine these past ~ 9 years) get their way.
Yea you have No freedoms here in the West. You should probably beat the rush and move to China where all of those things you listed are guaranteed before the libz round you up and put you in the gulag.
This post was edited on 6/21/22 at 10:08 am
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:08 am to LSUPilot07
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He could also make sanctions on Russia even harder if he truly wanted to in order to devalue the ruble further but it just feels all half measured to m
Further devalue? He hadn't devalued the ruble at all - at least not versus the Yankee dollar.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:13 am to Tigeralum2008
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Russia is a clear and present danger to Europe.
Russia is bogged down against a country our National Guard would have subjugated in 72 hours. Yet, they're a danger to Europe? Stop.
And if they are a danger, I guess it's incumbent on Europe to sack up and spend the money to defend themselves. When are y'all going to quit letting Western Europe play us for chumps by having us tote the load for their security?
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:19 am to Tigeralum2008
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Russia is a clear and present danger to Europe
Russia has been able to get away with this for the sole reason that they aren't in conflict with Europe
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Furthermore it is in American interests to support democracy worldwide rather than letting a nation fall under authoritarianism. Even if it is an imperfect democracy
sounds a lot like 2003
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:26 am to Lakeboy7
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Man are you going to ne mad.
Why would I be mad?
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:28 am to facher08
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i HoPE thEY bOTh lOsE
Well, causing destabilization and chaos does seem to be one of our primary objectives in the Middle East in recent years.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:32 am to REG861
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Yea you have No freedoms here in the West. You should probably beat the rush and move to China where all of those things you listed are guaranteed before the libz round you up and put you in the gulag.
I mean - depending on where you live in this country, many Americans literally can't send our kids to school or university anymore unless they comply with an unproven series of experimental vaccinations that do them no good (and that clearly have NEGATIVE efficacy that were only now beginning to see). And that's just the tip of the iceberg imo.
Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want, but I believe that authoritarianism from the elite in terms of what we can say, what we can drive, what we can eat, and how we can protect ourselves is very much at stake over the next 1 to 20 years.
The battle for our personal freedoms is the next great American fight and it will take up much of our adult lives.
This post was edited on 6/21/22 at 10:37 am
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:33 am to Lakeboy7
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You need to post more often.
Unfortunately, life and career preclude too much participation around here these days, but I've largely enjoyed catching up on this thread every once in a while.
And it's been depressing as hell watching a large chunk of the American conservative movement get lost to a cult of personality over the last five years. You've been able to see it in real time on this site. I can't believe some so-called conservatives try to equivocate in this conflict. Pieces of shite.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:34 am to Lakeboy7
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Bashar al-Assad,
Our Kurdish friends are taking over abandoned Russian FOBs, seems the Russians have a manpower problem.
I am somewhat surprised we haven't coordinated a stronger push in Syria. Seems like an obvious strategic move given the re-allocation of assets.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:37 am to AbuTheMonkey
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And it's been depressing as hell watching a large chunk of the American conservative movement get lost to a cult of personality over the last five years. You've been able to see it in real time on this site. I can't believe some so-called conservatives try to equivocate in this conflict. Pieces of shite.
This is such a hackneyed and lazy argument, especially since 95% of the accusations against Trump were false and were actually being carried out by others (Bidens, Romney profiting in Ukraine instead of Trump profiting in Russia).
This post was edited on 6/21/22 at 10:40 am
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:43 am to Lakeboy7
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quote: “Assad did not gas those people.”
Yeah, he did.
Yea. It what he and Russia like to do. It’s also what made Obama piss himself and attempt to redraw his line in the sand with Assad.
Outside of the Kurds getting involved and attempting to police a civil war between 2 sides that hate us made no sense.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:54 am to AbuTheMonkey
quote:Gotta believe the Emir of Qatar has plans for Bashar. A new gas pipeline moving LNG directly from the Persian Gulf North Field to the existing manifolds in Turkey was a great idea ten years ago and has only improved with age. No one knows this better than Putin, which is why he will stop it.
I am somewhat surprised we haven't coordinated a stronger push in Syria. Seems like an obvious strategic move given the re-allocation of assets.
Oh... wait.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 11:07 am to LSUPilot07
All fair points, just saying there is a wider discussion to be had when pertains to DJT and his past dealings with Russia that make me second guess whether there would be an adequate deterrent with him as president to prevent this war. In terms of coalition building I can only go on what transpired during his 4 years in office.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 11:18 am to LSUCanFAN
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All fair points, just saying there is a wider discussion to be had when pertains to DJT and his past dealings with Russia that make me second guess whether there would be an adequate deterrent with him as president to prevent this war. In terms of coalition building I can only go on what transpired during his 4 years in office.
Didn’t Trump increase military aid to Ukraine after Obama drug his feet?
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