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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:26 am to dallastigers
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:26 am to dallastigers
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I thought the same thing with Obama’s reset, the approval of the uranium mine sale to Russia, getting caught on a hot mic pandering to Putin, and that the 80s called joke in 2012 was ignorant and pandering to his base and growing left’s power within Democratic Party. It’s same Russia and Putin then as now, but any concerned was laughed at by liberals and the left.
I have stayed fairly consistent on my mistrust of Putin and Russia (and China for that matter), but that doesn’t mean I agree with the exponential increase in US funds going to Ukraine that started in March to basically double up what the rest of world is contributing to Ukraine. I don’t think we have enough controls over some of the money. I also don’t like just handing over weapons at borders with little ability to track them. Too many in Libya and Syria got in the hands on enemies in past, and we just left $7 billion in military equipment for the Taliban. I doubt $40 billion aid package in May will be the last aid package passed or get smaller in size when September comes around.
When I check places that liberals say right wingers and conservatives are supporting Russia or taking up cause for Russia I see mostly the same the concerns along with concerns over Biden’s mental capacity and motives. I doubt that in regards to conservative support of Russia the “fraction is significant and it consists of some of the most hard core” unless you are incorrectly including those just have concerns about Biden, the money, the weapons, and some on Ukraine leadership and culture with all this aid. Those who do this constantly in this thread are no different than what they keep saying about those on PB.
i actually agreee with you 1000 percent. I normally despise foreign aide, all of it. but I will say and have said in this thread that
A) i did and still somewhat do feel we may be able to topple putin and his regime without firing a shot ourself. I do not worry about escalation as I know how weak russia is militarily. If we are able to topple them without losing a single american soldier, that is money "better" spent than our other foreign aide.
**all foreign aide is still 100000000% bullshite!*
B) as much as i think Ukraine is a piece of shite corrupt shithole akin to most south american shite holes, i will always root for those countries being invaded if they are being invaded by our enemey. frankly i dont and didnt care about this bullshite overall and feel it was a european problem, but since we "had to do something" like we always fricking make the mistake of doing, i am going to cheer for ukraine.
most of the guys in this thread are conservatives, only the fricking idiot like tnboy are liberals and he is still a dumbass.
with that being said...the PB has become overrun with fake arse conservatives like sir winston who cant make an arguement to save their live. they are a product of a cult of personality and have no princples.
most of the PB has been over run with guys who would rather see trump win to piss off the left than to see desantis win and actually get a conservative agenda passed. I voted for trump and would again and if he is the nominee, i hope he kicks arse and will pray every night for him, but i have principles that are grounded in the constitution and if that puts me at odds with the trump cult, oh fricking well; i am sticking to my principles. that is the case right now on the PB and while i dont go over there very much.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:26 am to SOSFAN
Having been to the Ukraine on three separate trade missions, to Moscow and almost the entire Baltics I can personally assure you Ukraine nor Russia are shithole countries. Ukraine got a lot better in terms of corruption after the Russian puppet president was ousted. Russia politically hasn’t changed much politically since the early 1990s. Of the two countries I found Ukrainians to be friendlier and more hopeful about their future as a European country. Curious about your travel experiences in the former Soviet Union, how did you find the people you encountered? What empirical data did you gather to be able to assess either of these two countries?
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:34 am to lsu777
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with that being said...the PB has become overrun with fake arse conservatives like sir winston who cant make an arguement to save their live. they are a product of a cult of personality and have no princples.
most of the PB has been over run with guys who would rather see trump win to piss off the left than to see desantis win and actually get a conservative agenda passed. I voted for trump and would again and if he is the nominee, i hope he kicks arse and will pray every night for him, but i have principles that are grounded in the constitution and if that puts me at odds with the trump cult, oh fricking well; i am sticking to my principles. that is the case right now on the PB and while i dont go over there very much.
Amen, in the same place as you.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:38 am to crazy4lsu
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He has to be on the spectrum.
Only he can break down how con-artisty the Ukrainians are using an allusion to the Lord of the Rings. You see, the Ukrainians are like some sort of elf or a dark elf or some wizard shite. Zelensky is obviously the head elf or some shite, and obviously only OML can break down this complexity for us.
The Watchmen reference was the cringiest by far. THe incel/sword meme someone shared in response had me legitimately laughing out loud.
This post was edited on 6/21/22 at 8:41 am
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:39 am to Chromdome35
Acouple of videos showing the Russians taking out an M777
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1539226328498683906
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1539228102366199809
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1539226328498683906
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1539228102366199809
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#Ukraine: The Russian army destroyed two Ukrainian M777 155mm towed howitzers, supplied by Western allies.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:44 am to SOSFAN
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Don't act like Ukraine is some innocent country because they are far from that. I hope they both lose.
Ukraine is going to lose even if they win. Russia is systematically destroying their cities.
And correct me if I am wrong, but what did Ukraine do to have Russia attack them twice after signing a treaty vowing to treat them as a sovereign nation?
And I understand that Ukraine isn’t Switzerland, but comparing what Russia had been doing and what they’ve done over many decades isn’t close. Ukraine is a pimple on this Earth compared to the major boil that is Russia.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:52 am to SirWinston
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Imagine being on the same side of an issue as Hillary Clinton, George W. Bush, Keith Olberman, Emmanuel Macron, Stephen Colbert, and Klaus Schwab and having the gall to be smug about it.
Imagine being on the same side of an issue as Vladimir Putin, Bashar al-Assad, Nicolás Maduro, and Alexander Lukashenko and having the gall to be smug about it.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:55 am to Chromdome35
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Acouple of videos showing the Russians taking out an M777
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:58 am to SoonerK
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Bashar al-Assad,
Our Kurdish friends are taking over abandoned Russian FOBs, seems the Russians have a manpower problem.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:00 am to SoonerK
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Imagine being on the same side of an issue as Vladimir Putin, Bashar al-Assad
Well, as far as Syria goes, I'm absolutely on their side and smug amount it. Enjoy cheering for the CIA-backed Islamic State, er, I mean "moderate anti-Assad rebels".
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:00 am to SoonerK
I know you admire western leaders like Angela Merkel, Justin Trudeau, and Barack Obama so we have nothing to argue about. We are on polar opposite ends of every conceivable issue.
P.S. Assad did not gas those people. And he is less evil than the 3 folks I mentioned above.
P.S. Assad did not gas those people. And he is less evil than the 3 folks I mentioned above.
This post was edited on 6/21/22 at 9:03 am
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:02 am to Chromdome35
Some are saying those videos are spliced. Aerial photo of an M777 but then it appears to be a "D40" artillery piece that is destroyed. I dunno... The levels of fake news from this war makes me not believe anything anymore...
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:02 am to lsu777
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see trump win to piss off the left
I have gone on record myself in the past saying this succinctly describes the cult of Trump..
I would also suggest not just the left but the political establishment in general...
I am certainly sympathetic to the sentiment..
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:02 am to SirWinston
1/2??The AFU inflicted a concentrated blow on Russian troops on the island Zmiinyi with the use of various forces and means of defeat, according to the operational command “South”.
2/2 The OC stressed that after the strike, what the Russians proudly called the “island garrison”, suffered significant losses.
LINK
2/2 The OC stressed that after the strike, what the Russians proudly called the “island garrison”, suffered significant losses.
LINK
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:03 am to Mo Jeaux
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Well, as far as Syria goes, I'm absolutely on their side and smug amount it.
Man are you going to ne mad.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:06 am to SirWinston
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Assad did not gas those people.
Yeah, he did.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:10 am to SirWinston
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I know you admire western leaders like Angela Merkel, Justin Trudeau, and Barack Obama so we have nothing to argue about. We are on polar opposite ends of every conceivable issue.
You truly are one of the dumbest posters on this site and that is really saying something.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:11 am to SOSFAN
You’re actually wrong about that. Ukraine may have some shitty leadership but I have had the pleasure of knowing several Ukrainians and they are good people who hate Russians and always have. There is no love lost between those countries and Ukrainians want to live like western countries while Russia and Putin still want to keep them under their control because they see Ukraine as belonging to them. Much like here in the USA or anywhere in the world really you can’t compare a people to their leadership. We have a fricking radical left mummy with one foot in the grave leading our country but at the end of the day the majority of Americans are just good hardworking people that want to work and enjoy their lives. It’s the same in Ukraine.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:18 am to SoonerK
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I know you admire western leaders like Angela Merkel, Justin Trudeau, and Barack Obama so we have nothing to argue about. We are on polar opposite ends of every conceivable issue.
You truly are one of the dumbest posters on this site and that is really saying something.
One of the great conservative heroes of the 20th century was Ronald Reagan. When I hear conservatives criticize supporting Ukraine I can't help but think how they would be cheering Reagan or Trump on for supporting Ukraine.
No damn way RR lets Russia invade Ukraine without a response. He would likely be pushing for more indirect support right now just as he did for Afghanistan.
Trump is on record saying that Russian nuclear threats don't change his mind about shite. He said something like "go ahead threaten nukes, we have nukes of our own...and ours are better than yours"... Loved reading that
This post was edited on 6/21/22 at 9:19 am
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:22 am to Tigeralum2008
Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump would both understand that Russia is not in the top 20 threats to the present day United States.
Russia is a catch-all bogeyman used by the global elite.
Further, Russia would not have invaded Ukraine if either were POTUS.
Russia is a catch-all bogeyman used by the global elite.
Further, Russia would not have invaded Ukraine if either were POTUS.
This post was edited on 6/21/22 at 9:33 am
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