re: Jury Acquits Uvalde police officer who refused to engage with school shooter

A couple others were the first responders to the Covenant shooting in Nashville. They ran in and did the job without hesitation.

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hopefully not a single one of us is ever in that position. And it's very easy to say that youd do it online, but none of us know how wed act in the moment. You can say, "of course id run in" but you do not know that.

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I did run in. Turned out to be firecrackers. Not only did I go in, but so did my wife. Of course, my children were in that building, which is different.

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A couple others were the first responders to the Covenant shooting in Nashville. They ran in and did the job without hesitation.

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Probably also speaks to the level of training and caliber of officers in Nashville, a major metro, versus Uvalde

Hard to convict a person for being a coward. Even in combat they just move you to an admin position if you don't have the guts to pull the trigger in battle. Now in Russia, you may be shot, but throughout our history there's been very , very few battlefield executions for cowardice. I have mixed feelings over this. Part of me says they should let the parents tear him limb for limb and another part of me says if it was me I'd rather be killed than having to live with myself knowing all those children's deaths were my fault, because I didn't act. I can't imagine anything worse than having to live with that.

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Police aren’t military under the law. They can’t be ordered on a suicide mission. They also have no duty under the law to protect specific people. The Supreme Court has already ruled on this

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Scalia wrote the majority opinion. I remember covering it in law school. Clarify, was that only protection from civil liability, though? If it were to extend to criminal liability, would not a motion have not been filed before trial to prevent the attempt to charhe the officer, or perhaps just appeal a conviction of he were convicted?

What doesn't make sense is that there is no criminal or civil liability for inaction by officers when they can ALSO prevent parents from going in to do their natural duty. Either officers have no affirmative duty to go into such a situation and thus cannot prevent parents from going OR they fricking go in.

I in no way want to defend their actions. But duty to act and requirement to act are two entirely different things. If you remember the deputy in Florida retired on the spot and refused to go in. Florida wanted to fry him and couldn’t. Their training has very little bearing because they are taught very early in their career to absolutely not assault a barricaded suspect, unless he turns back into an active shooter. Those things can go back and forth several times. Uniform guys and administrators are not nearly mentally equipped as a SWAT officer would be.

Did they hand him a white feather for cowardice?

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duty to act and requirement to act are two entirely different things

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I don't know or recall what difference there is in the two, but there is still the issue I see where if there is no duty/ requirement to act, fine. Move so someone else can. The problem is government monopolizing action of individuals, such as FEMA disallowing individuals to render aids or supplies in the Carolina hurricane flooding but then not helping people their own selves.

What society will we have when individuals have given up their ability and expectation to protect themselves and provide for their communities, and they have given that role to government, and then that government refuses to act?

I cannot, legally or as a parent or as an American, reconcile a non obligation by law enforcement to go in there but prevent parents from going in, then not be held accountable. Thoughts.

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I know everyone on here would say "yes id run in that building and stop the shooting at my own risk" but I doubt that there really many that really would. I like to think I would, too.

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Every man is built different.

Pretty sure one of the Border Patrol guys who went in was getting a haircut, heard the news, borrowed a shotgun from the barber (yes, that really happened) and went in with the team that killed him.

While the entire Uvalde PD stood around joking and using hand sanitizer.

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stop the murdering of innocent children.

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you are greatly underestimating how the the human mind works (or doesn't) under stress. Almost everyone freezes, including during shootings. The animal in you does not want you to draw attention to yourself. The only way you override that is with drills and training, which is not something 99.5% of people are capable of.