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re: Israel Pfizer efficacy against covid-19 hospitalizations broken down by age group

Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:42 am to
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:42 am to
How can people like you continually point to long term effects of a vaccine, but ignore potential long term effects of a virus that alot of you thing was man-made in china? This part is baffling to me
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:42 am to
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So 1% out of 100,000 people who are not vaxxed will have a severe case IF they get infected.
Not sure where you got 1%, nor why you included "out of 100,000".

In the US we have had ~2.5million hospitalized out of ~40million cases, or 6.25% of cases end up being "severe".
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111392 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:44 am to
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In the US we have had ~2.5million hospitalized out of ~40million DOCUMENTED cases, or 6.25% of cases end up being "severe".


I think that is very important to note
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 11:45 am
Posted by Tiger985
Member since Nov 2006
7679 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:45 am to
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when has pride argued against the medical freedom case?


He hasn't.

Just thanking him for providing the data that clearly shows mass vaccination is unnecessary.

Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111392 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:46 am to
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How can people like you continually point to long term effects of a vaccine, but ignore potential long term effects of a virus that alot of you thing was man-made in china? This part is baffling to me

I just want to know how they now have decided to define long term effects

We are over 1 year out from the vaccine being given

So, in their opinion, 1 year is not enough time to determine what effects the vaccine can cause

So they are saying the vaccine can cause nothing, have a person perfectly healthy and normal on labs for over a year, and then BOOM!
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
9283 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:47 am to
Who ignored the long term effects of the virus?

I certainly didn't.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60917 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:54 am to
So the results show what we already know

The absolute risk reduction of this vaccine is meaningless for anyone under 60
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89760 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:56 am to
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But the messaging is if you aren't vaccinated you are committing suicide


Not just suicide, genocide.

Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87989 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:58 am to
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In the US we have had ~2.5million hospitalized out of ~40million cases, or 6.25% of cases end up being "severe".
You think only 10% of the population has had covid?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 12:00 pm to
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You think only 10% of the population has had covid?
If you have a more accurate number, please share.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
47789 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 12:00 pm to
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Not just suicide, genocide.


Yeah we are sending out kids to school to murder people
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87989 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 12:03 pm to
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If you have a more accurate number, please share.
Sure thing, boss

Now, a machine-learning algorithm developed at UT Southwestern estimates that the number of COVID-19 cases in the U.S. since the pandemic began is nearly three times that of confirmed cases.

The algorithm, described in a study published today in PLOS ONE, provides daily updated estimates of total infections to date as well as how many people are currently infected across the U.S. and in 50 countries hardest hit by the pandemic.

As of Feb. 4, according to the model's calculations, more than 71 million people in the U.S. – 21.5 percent of Americans – had contracted COVID-19. That compares with the substantially smaller 26.7 million publicly reported number of confirmed cases, says Jungsik Noh, Ph.D., a UT Southwestern assistant professor in the Lyda Hill Department of Bioinformatics and first author of the study.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
74846 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 12:03 pm to
if vaccinated people don’t get more than the sniffles from COVID, why would they get tested for COVID?
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
177296 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 12:03 pm to
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If you have a more accurate number, please share.


The funny thing about you using that number and thinking it is accurate is a huge part of that number is false positives.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 12:05 pm to
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DOCUMENTED
quote:

I think that is very important to note
Sure.

Legit questions:

Of the documented cases, how many do you think were false positives due to overly sensitive tests?

Of the presumed undocumented asymptomatic cases, do you think these people have acquired a reasonable level of immunity? In other words, does it even make sense statistically to count these as cases?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87989 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 12:06 pm to
There is no person who is rational that could possible think the "confirmed/presumed" cases is even close to the actual case number when in the first wave, we couldn't test the majority of people of who likely had it.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15689 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 12:07 pm to
It is safe to assume that the elderly unvaccinated had comorbidities that did not allow them to be healthy enough to get the vaccine in the first place.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 12:07 pm to
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We are over 1 year out from the vaccine being given

So, in their opinion, 1 year is not enough time to determine what effects the vaccine can cause


You still haven't answered my questions on the boosters that will almost certainly be required and how those affect these numbers

And you are not factoring in infection rates to any of these calculations, which we really have no idea what they are.
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 12:09 pm
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 12:08 pm to
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The funny thing about you using that number and thinking it is accurate is a huge part of that number is false positives.
I'll mark you down as thinking the number is too high. You can duke it out with those thinking it's too low.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
177296 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 12:09 pm to
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I'll mark you down as thinking the number is too high. You can duke it out with those thinking it's too low.


I think it's too low. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of you asking for a more accurate number while providing that one.
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