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re: Is having kids worth it?
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:39 am to Pettifogger
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:39 am to Pettifogger
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I think this is one of those things where we all know this, but people are guarded on acknowledging it.
Good parents most often produce good kids. This is obvious to anyone who parents and does it reasonably well. But, sometimes you mess it up, or sometimes it's a really hard kid and you don't get the approach right, and then in even rarer cases there are probably kids that most reasonable, good parents would not have been able to course-correct.
But I think so many parents see bad parenting - some of whom use the "hard kid" excuse - and thus are reluctant to acknowledge the exception for fear of giving license to bad parents to keep being bad parents.
It's just so sucky for those good families. I know of two families very close to me, not including my own, that have raised a bunch of awesome kids into great adults except for the one butthole of the family. There was just nothing they did that worked. The kids were just pricks and never stopped being such.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:40 am to Deuces
How the hell has this thread reached 10+ pages lol.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:42 am to JiminyCricket
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Nursing homes are filled with elderly parents with kids that don't give a damn about them and never visit.
I am well aware of this and it is sad. Especially to the vets who I am very partial too. They deserve better. I say this because my wife and her family just put her dad in a nursing home. It has been a borderline trainwreck as my MIL is not the easiest to handle this situation. They started with in home care but that didn't work because they couldn't get responsible care or dependable help. Honestly that could be a legit business venture but I digress. My wife goes to see her dad every day but she is a unicorn. I bet 90% of the people hardly get a visitor whether it is family or friends. Really hit home at Thanksgiving. With that said, at least the kids involved had something to do with getting them there and that is the problem I have seen with the folks getting into this situation. They literally don't plan for the situation and I can only imagine what it would be like for some without kids. Without my wife, my FIL would be up a creek without a paddle.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:42 am to JohnnyKilroy
Kids vs. no kids is an easy bet for a long thread
Literally everyone has a real world experience to share on one position or the other
Literally everyone has a real world experience to share on one position or the other
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:45 am to Deuces
If you have to ask it probably means you wouldnt benefit from the answer of someone like myself.
You might want to limit your questions to those who weren’t sure or had kids unplanned to get a response that is meaningful.
You might want to limit your questions to those who weren’t sure or had kids unplanned to get a response that is meaningful.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:47 am to Pettifogger
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Literally everyone has a real world experience to share on one position or the other
But only one group has real world experience of both positions.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:48 am to Deuces
If you’re on the fence the answer is yes
Even if you don’t the answer should be yes for at least 1.
It’s the biggest blessing in the world and you don’t understand until you have your own. No one regrets having kids when they are old and have a house full of grandkids and people that love them that they created.
The money you save and extra trips and things you can buy can’t replace what kids offer.
Even if you don’t the answer should be yes for at least 1.
It’s the biggest blessing in the world and you don’t understand until you have your own. No one regrets having kids when they are old and have a house full of grandkids and people that love them that they created.
The money you save and extra trips and things you can buy can’t replace what kids offer.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:51 am to Deuces
Yes- but it’s not easy to say the least.
Even harder if you are not good financially speaking.
They will affect your marriage, friends, money, everything…sometimes good, sometimes bad.
My kids and thei hobbies, etc are my life now.
If you are not willing to be unselfish, don’t have them.
Nothing more I can’t stand is when dads aren’t at any games / etc both are “on the woods” or “fishing”.
Spending sands of $s on themselves, while the kids never get a vacation, or the in style clothes, etc.
Even harder if you are not good financially speaking.
They will affect your marriage, friends, money, everything…sometimes good, sometimes bad.
My kids and thei hobbies, etc are my life now.
If you are not willing to be unselfish, don’t have them.
Nothing more I can’t stand is when dads aren’t at any games / etc both are “on the woods” or “fishing”.
Spending sands of $s on themselves, while the kids never get a vacation, or the in style clothes, etc.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:51 am to dyslexiateechur
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Life would be pointless for me without kids.
I'm not sure I get this statement. It seems extreme. Life wouldn't be pointless for me if I did or didn't have kids. Maybe I'm reading into this wrong because I'm living my life how I chose and the blessing is the children are a part of it. They have helped me grow individually by helping me understand relationships, patience, and even helped me recognize my flaws. But I'm not sure I see life as pointless without them.
Does your God or your spouse know your life would be pointless without kids? Is this said by someone who feels they have no purpose? Sorry, I just don't understand that sentiment.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:52 am to Dire Wolf
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what kind of life can I afford to give to the kid
That's one of the best things about kids. You can go cheap as hell on a LOT of stuff and they love it all the same.
Ask any parent and they will tell you countless stories of how their kids got more fun and utility out of the box than the 400 dollar item that came in the box.
I had to laugh in the disney thread a couple weeks ago when people were incredulous about "depriving" your child of the disney world expeirence. Motherfricker they have no idea what disney world is like. They're kids. They don't care about that shite nearly as much as the adults do.
Kids don't spoil themselves you know.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:54 am to Deuces
Most definitely one of Life's greatest gifts.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:55 am to Deuces
Is having kids worth it?
—Your parents thought so
—Your parents thought so
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:56 am to Deuces
Alot of people see a man in his 30s without kids and think I'm lucky because I am free and can do anything I want everyday. Id much rather be coming home and providing for a family. Theres nothing I would rather have today than children. I REALLY regret ruining a relationship or 2 when there still were women without kids my age that would make good companions. I guess Im paying back the karma for my early 20s.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 12:01 pm to LouisianaLady
quote:I did not have children so they could take care of me. This line of thinking as a reason to have kids is so odd to me.
there are options beyond relying on children
Posted on 12/10/25 at 12:01 pm to Deuces
Kids are the greatest gift in the world.
I started late, and hope to have more than the 1 and 1 on the way.
I mean I sort of get not wanting kids, but what kind of life is that? Eating out some more, relaxing some, traveling more and... dying?
Marriage and kids are actually both things built to make you a different person. To love in a different way. It's supposed to be hard and challenging, even if you want kids.
And those who dont - again, the function is to reveal true sacrifice, true humility, true giving yourself for others.
It's the shortcut to being a better person.
And yes, its the parents who dont realize that, and try to ne "the same person they were," that make it look hard or bad.
I started late, and hope to have more than the 1 and 1 on the way.
I mean I sort of get not wanting kids, but what kind of life is that? Eating out some more, relaxing some, traveling more and... dying?
Marriage and kids are actually both things built to make you a different person. To love in a different way. It's supposed to be hard and challenging, even if you want kids.
And those who dont - again, the function is to reveal true sacrifice, true humility, true giving yourself for others.
It's the shortcut to being a better person.
And yes, its the parents who dont realize that, and try to ne "the same person they were," that make it look hard or bad.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 12:04 pm to Deuces
I have 3 kids. About to ship one off to college. I often wonder how simple life would have been with just 1.
Worth it though? Yes. Each year presents new achievements and failures while trying to mold them into good people.
Worth it though? Yes. Each year presents new achievements and failures while trying to mold them into good people.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 12:12 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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You can go cheap as hell on a LOT of stuff and they love it all the same.
While I agree with your overall point, lord this does not apply to middle/HS aged girls.
It was WORLD ENDING that my parents always got me the cheap knockoff version of whatever was trending at the time. It made me look more loser than if I just didn't have the item at all.
Now that I'm an adult, I laugh about it, but I remember it being such a huge deal to me as a girl in a hardcore clique-ish school with mean girls.
This post was edited on 12/10/25 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 12/10/25 at 12:13 pm to Deuces
Yes, 100% worth it, although each child is a different entity of their own, with their own challenges and rewards. The fact that you recognize the failures of your parents should allow you to avoid the same pattern of behavior.
I had the surreal experience of a single father raising a "profoundly gifted" daughter with an IQ that could not be accurately measured by tests, which presented a unique set of challenges. She went through childhood and adolescence at light speed and functioned mentally as a young adult by the age of ten, though lacking of social experience (which was often humorous). Sometimes I felt like I was just along for the ride, her chauffeur, but it was much more rewarding and entertaining than I ever could have imagined. Absolutely worth every penny and every minute of my time.
I had the surreal experience of a single father raising a "profoundly gifted" daughter with an IQ that could not be accurately measured by tests, which presented a unique set of challenges. She went through childhood and adolescence at light speed and functioned mentally as a young adult by the age of ten, though lacking of social experience (which was often humorous). Sometimes I felt like I was just along for the ride, her chauffeur, but it was much more rewarding and entertaining than I ever could have imagined. Absolutely worth every penny and every minute of my time.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 12:29 pm to LouisianaLady
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It was WORLD ENDING that my parents always got me the cheap knockoff version of whatever was trending at the time. It made me look more loser than if I just didn't have the item at all. Now that I'm an adult, I laugh about it, but I remember it being such a huge deal to me as a girl in a hardcore clique-ish school with mean girls.
Sure it gets harder as the kids age. And you don’t have to be crazy militant about not providing trendy/top of the line things to your kids. But just as you say, you look back on it and laugh now and it probably built some character in you as well.
Not directed at you specifically LL, but if your kid is more into having the latest/greatest equipment and doesn’t want to do X activity due to johnny down the street having a “better” bat or glove, they’re cooked anyway and you’re better off cutting bait and finding an activity they are genuinely interested in beyond just buying more stuff.
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