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re: How did most C-Suite Execs get to that position?

Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:12 pm to
Posted by stuckintexas
austin
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:12 pm to
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They also have a clear understanding of how to manage an issue from top/down

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Studying and practicing leadership is a real thing

Twenty-six years in a trade, and twenty-three years in Fire/EMS both taught me these statements are spot on. Being a Master in a particular field means you show and teach others what it means to master that field, teachable moments that help them get better without putting them down but showing them how to get the right answer and execute it. It means getting dirty and bloody in a situation someone else is wide-eyed and doesn't have an answer but you get them back on track and operating.

There's an inherent risk in doing either electrical work or firefighting, so maybe it just becomes part of your personality vs a persona in the executive world. I still stand by my opinion that the difference between the haves and have-nots is the amount of risk you are willing to take to reach higher/achieve more vs the comfort of knowing what you have in a weekly paycheck or annual salary.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58292 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:22 pm to
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are all amazing with communication and messaging.


This is a very big part of it.

I work for and have been with some very big companies and that’s always very important.

I do get frustrated at times how some of these folks know nothing at all about the organizations they are at the top of, but at the end of the day their job is to lead people and direct the goals from top down.
This post was edited on 5/14/24 at 10:33 pm
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37434 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:24 pm to
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Always be a yes man to everyone above you in hierarchy
Never pushback on those above you
Always be willing to cover/lie for those above you


Guy like this, who worked under at one point then adjacent, totally stabbed me in the back.

Just an awful person.



I couldn't do a Fortune 500, that's pure politics. I stick to the Startups and Small Companies, Exec Level. Most are good people, good leaders. Politics still exist - but it's mostly just kingdom building, battling over resources. Nothing too competitive.
Posted by Auburn80
Backwater, TN
Member since Nov 2017
7609 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:31 pm to
A lot of it is doing whatever the company asks at any time which may be moving to backwoods Iowa. I personally never wanted to go there because family was too important to me. A lot of divorced people and of course some psychopaths also. Most of the really decent bosses I worked for never made it to the top.
Posted by ChexMix
Taste the Deliciousness
Member since Apr 2014
25494 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:34 pm to
Its called falling upwards. A lot of companies will promote failures just to get them out of the critical position they are currently in and send them to an office job where they cant frick anything up
Posted by Outdoorreb
Member since Oct 2019
2567 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:39 pm to
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older and not great leaders typically got there by seniority,


How old are we talking?
Old days there weren’t leaders and there were only bosses/managers. “Leader” is a newer terminology.
There was once a time when people were self motivated and held their self accountable, but now they have to constantly be told “good job”. To the point of 3 times more than correcting them. It is sad when I have to say “Way to go!” 3 times before I can say “No, just do it the way we trained you to do it.”
Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
6088 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:48 pm to
Carry out executives/owners wishes without challenging them
Be the best friend or relative of an executive or owner

Frankly, I'd love to just coast in a sweet spot.

Enough $$ to live comfortably, but not so high that you would rank as fat to cut during a layoff.

Important enough to have value day to day, but not so important as to have to deal with after-hours texts and constant tethering to execs.

No direct reports to deal with if your company has a tedious goals/review process.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
63246 posts
Posted on 5/14/24 at 11:26 pm to
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Frankly, I'd love to just coast in a sweet spot.


Most people do this just at different levels. Ultimately if you're starting from the bottom it's a war of attrition.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24204 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 12:30 am to
I interact with senior leaders daily. I’ll boil it down to trust, dependability, communication & storytelling.

In terms of actually getting up the ladder, tremendous about of luck and happenstance…preparation meeting opportunity.

For large public companies, one dimension that I think gets overlooked for people with CEO aspirations: You have to get to the middle management roles rapidly early in your career. If you don’t, then you “age out” of achieving the top level jobs. Achieving VP in mid to late 30s…SVP early 40s…creates ability for a Chief role in mid 40s. A board generally wants a CEO with at least a good amount of time of the clock before retirement so early 50s is a target.

Someone getting to a VP rank at 50 just doesn’t have enough years left to get to the top spot very often.

We should also delineate…there is a massive difference between CEO and “Chief XYZ Officer” in F500 settings. Just look at the pay differences between CEO and their direct reports…it’s shocking how quickly the comp bands decrease.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 12:31 am
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
14875 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 2:29 am to
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You don't get to that level in any organization without having some sociopathic tendencies.


This. I’ll never forget the first time I saw American Psycho just after college and realizing “I know these people.”
Posted by evil cockroach
27.98N // 86.92E
Member since Nov 2007
7508 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 5:50 am to
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some people don't like to admit but luck is a factor in corporate careers.
this . You need hard work and luck. The ball has to bounce your way more than a few times.
Posted by Sidicous
Middle of Nowhere
Member since Aug 2015
17302 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:05 am to
It helps to be an unshakable person. In both my careers I was that way.

When All Hell breaks loose and people freeze, panic, stand there jaws agape, I was the person who was still in control and understood the necessary steps to make. Whether it was a FBI raid on a shady business or a patient suddenly developed vomiting blood over the end of the gurney, I never froze.

Talent like that along with being able to keep several steps ahead of the next domino to fall. Like they talk about chess players being several moves ahead, being able to just “see” the future ramifications of every action several steps away.

That’s the stuff of C Suite Leadership.
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
31931 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:08 am to
Seems you’ve answered your own question.

Much of it is right place/time; however, one must reach a watermark of talent and performance. There are some buffoons who fall into it, but they are far fewer than some people gripe about.

I’m in my 50s and seemed to miss the window but never really pinned my ears back to target that level. Sr VP regional lead was my plateau but I’m good with that. Now, I’m more in a mentor role.
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
25389 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:11 am to
Some are groomed by very smart people. The CEO/president of the worlds largest auto parts company was the son of the friend of the founder and was essentially sent to Ivy League schools to learn to be a leader before being hired as a "mgt trainee". I trained this guy for 3 months on the day to day workings of the company (AZO) and within 1 year he was a senior level corporate executive and within 10 he was CEO. It was a well thought out plan to insure competent leadership to take the company forward for decades.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
53152 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:15 am to
Boomers just walked in off the street, gave boss man a firm handshake and asked for a job


Too bad you millenials don’t have that work ethic
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
79026 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:29 am to
I’ve always felt like this was a sad path for a man to take. You are higher up in the social hierarchy, you have superior assets and financial resources, but they own you. Who wants to live inside the center of a bureaucratic commerce machine and be owned? While I admire the intelligence and ambition and most of all- the competency of many of these people, I certainly don’t aspire to be them. I think they pay a heavy price.

Being a successful business owner is the best for the business savvy and ambitious man. Now if you are in a start up or a maverick type company or a truly collaborative meritocratic business environment, none of that first paragraph applies.
Posted by MyRockstarComplex
The airport
Member since Nov 2009
3383 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:30 am to
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You don't get to that level in any organization without having some sociopathic tendencies.


I know of at least one company performs aptitude tests to ensure their VP level and up fall into this range. They also keep therapists and “team coaches” on staff because the C suite will all try to sabotage each other.
Posted by msap9020
Texas
Member since Feb 2015
1284 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:12 am to
There's no easy answer for this. Some of them deserve it because of merit or the fact they are true leaders of men, some of them are who they knew and some of them are - luck or timing. That said, I have seen some make it because of luck/timing/who they knew and were able to hold on or move up because they reached down and found their leadership. Rare though.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 7:16 am
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
10624 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:18 am to
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You have to get to the middle management roles rapidly early in your career.


That's nearly impossible. I've never seen one guy in their early 30s in a regional/global role beyond corporate office. Most of those guys are Sr. Managers and 40ish at absolute best.

Maybe Sales this might be possible. Technical disciplines I've never seen that. Apparently tech anything is possible though.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 7:19 am
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
19579 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:23 am to

It’s a rare combination of the ability to schmooze, the ability to speak the biz lingo, and optionally some know-how.
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