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re: Has there been a monumental breakthrough in COVID 19 treatment?
Posted on 6/26/20 at 8:35 am to The Spleen
Posted on 6/26/20 at 8:35 am to The Spleen
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Is there any scientific data to suggest this virus will just "run its course"? There are reports of people contracting it twice, and there is also data showing people that have had it having negative antibody tests.
Those cases are rare and I've read that they are probably the result of false-positives in testing. Of course, that happens when you financially incentive hospitals, counties, and states to diagnose people with a particular disease.
If there are a few cases where someone can get it more than once, then that's just the risk we'll have to take. We can't just close down the world because someone might get it twice. And, from all the we currently know about the science of diseases like this, people will build up the antibodies and the disease will run its course. Now, just like when people die of the yearly flu, there will be some death regardless of which path we choose. But, there will be many, many, many more deaths through depression and suicide if we continue to make people isolate themselves.
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 8:41 am
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Posted on 6/26/20 at 8:45 am to Baldy
Younger age groups are where the increases are and they're just not as susceptible to it getting "really bad" requiring hospitalization.
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 8:46 am
Posted on 6/26/20 at 8:53 am to The Spleen
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Second, this current surge seems to be hitting younger, healthier people while the initial surge hit older people, or people already in poor health.
I believe this is only because they have finally been let out of their house.
We know it doesn't effect them near as much, and they are spreading it around to each other. Everyone knew this was the quickest way to herd immunity, but we passed over that step./
Posted on 6/26/20 at 8:55 am to Baldy
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monumental
tearing down all the racist monumentals cures covid
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:01 am to MikeBRLA
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Reported cases bc of more testing is your answer.
A several week old answer. Percentage of tests positive is rising too, doubling in some states, rising modestly in the US overall.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:02 am to ksayetiger
I was told that since I’m white, COVID is “coming for me”.
I also read that Alabama hospitals are now at 82% capacity.
ZOMG
I also read that Alabama hospitals are now at 82% capacity.
ZOMG
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:02 am to Tigris
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Percentage of tests positive is rising too, doubling in some states, rising modestly in the US overall.
Did you think nothing would happen when the country opened up?
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:05 am to tiger91
quote:It's these younger ones that enabled the healthcare providers to find the cure.
Younger age groups are where the increases are and they're just not as susceptible to it getting "really bad" requiring hospitalization.
These younger positives are cured by throwing gubment cheese (Federal Covid Money) at them, hence they only stay overnight and are released the next day.
Gubment Cheese cures Wu Flu!
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:05 am to Tigris
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Percentage of tests positive is rising too, doubling in some states
well since we crushed the curve and # of cases can't go negative, in many areas it doesn't take much to double
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:10 am to S1C EM
quote:Umm, yes they do
Antibody testing results do not support this.
Our 28,000 antibody study in Louisiana shows a positive rate of 10.5%
So that would be 450,000 people in the state of Louisiana extrapolated out
Louisiana has only reported 55,000 cases through testing. That is 400,000 missing cases just in Louisiana
Seriously where are you getting your retarded takes?
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:16 am to Baldy
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How else can the skyrocketing cases but drastically fewer deaths be explained?
It’s a combination of contract tracing picking up more positives that otherwise wouldn’t ever have been reported and the fact that the deaths have a 20 day lag or so behind case rate movements. On the National level cases started to uptick 13 days ago.
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 9:19 am
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:17 am to lsupride87
didn't the CDC come out and say the true # of positives are at least 10x the positive tests?
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:18 am to Volvagia
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It’s a combination of contract tracing picking up more positives that otherwise wouldn’t ever have been reported and the fact that the deaths have a 20 day lag or so behind case rate movements. On the National level cases started to uptick 13 days ago.
So you are leading people to think the deaths will come like before God you suck so much e dick. The median age of infection in Louisiana now is 33. The deaths you so desperately want aren’t coming
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:23 am to lsupride87
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So you are leading people to think the deaths will come like before
I don’t know what it will do. I was answering his question as to how the reported cases can show a divergent path to deaths. Who knows the amount of weight is on each cause, and at no point did I imply that we expect to see a 1:1 correlation between new cases upsurge and relative death rate.
You know, by the fact that I didn’t list the mortality delay as the only contributing factor.
If bringing up the delay is not a relevant factor at all, then I can assume by your laughter that zero uptick in daily death rate is expected by you?
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:31 am to Tigris
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A several week old answer. Percentage of tests positive is rising too, doubling in some states, rising modestly in the US overall.
Which is what will happen with contact tracing and employers testing employees to go back to work.
Contact tracing means you're actively hunting virus in a target rich environment. Same thing you get whenever you test hotspots (factories/meat packing plants, dense living arrangements, prisons, nursing homes, etc.).
The employer testing, and perhaps some other things, runs into issues with reporting negative tests. Positives are reported immediately, but negatives may not be due to the way the electronic reporting system is set up.
Point is...context matters.
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 9:32 am
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:32 am to lsupride87
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The deaths you so desperately want aren’t coming
Please show me one post where I was doomcasting on this. Whatever few nuggets you’ll be able to warp, I can show you positive news I shared as well. Pretty much all I’ve been doing(especially recently) is sharing objective facts. The closest you’ll prob come to me “doomcasting” is me talking about questions I had about some antibody studies (which was echoed by other statisticians).
Or put another way, having any opinion different from the one you would like to shove down everyone’s throat.
Stated in multiple posts the lockdown needs to stop.
You are just salty I didn’t let all of your arguments that this was “less lethal” than the flu back at the start go unanswered so I turned into this strawman caricature of doom in your head.
Weren’t you the one that projected fewer than 1k total dead in the US, and mocked and attacked any projection claiming more than 100k deaths by the end of the year as absurd doomcasting?
You’d probably be so shocked to see I posted this, you will have to spend a little bit trying to rationalize why it doesn’t mean anything. I bet emotes will be used to convey the point:
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This is a fricking cold on steroids. Nothing more. Most who become infected won’t show anything but mild symptoms much less anything worthy of medical treatment.
LINK
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 10:11 am
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:07 am to Baldy
Because it turned out to be a bad flu.
Only the bad patients were told to get to the hospitals. Now they want to test every frickstick out there.
Only the bad patients were told to get to the hospitals. Now they want to test every frickstick out there.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:17 am to Baldy
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How else can the skyrocketing cases but drastically fewer deaths be explained?
A lot more testing so asymptomatic cases are being caught, early on mostly just suck people were being tested. Another big factor is that data shows a lot of the new cases are among young people who don’t get very sick from this.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:18 am to The Spleen
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First, doctors have kind of figured out what treatments work. While there hasn't been a monumental breakthrough, through trial and error they've determined some treatments that help the fight.
Second, this current surge seems to be hitting younger, healthier people while the initial surge hit older people, or people already in poor health.
I agree, but there is more...
Deaths trail infections by about two weeks, so I expect we are about four more days away from having our answer as to whether these infections will yield more deaths.
As you point out these are younger people, and they are less likely to develop bad cases. However, they will inevitably bring those infections to their more vulnerable family members.
Also, as someone above pointed out, the virus has likely mutated towards less lethal versions. That's what viruses tend to do, because those infected with the worst types sty home, while those with more benign types go out and spread it.
I expect hospitalizations and deaths to increase a lot over the next few weeks. But as long as our hospitals are not overwhelmed, we should stay the course, and let people handle this without government interference.
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 10:20 am
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