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re: Every developed country has high speed rail, why are so many against it in the U.S.?

Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:28 pm to
Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
7455 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:28 pm to
If we try to build high speed rail it will cost trillions and it won't even work because of total corruption at every turn. The US builds bombs and bombers. We are into destruction not construction.
Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
22338 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:31 pm to
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Honestly, why do we care about high speed rails?


After reading through the thread, it looks like OP has been soaking up CCP talking points on Reddit.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25947 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:42 pm to
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After reading through the thread, it looks like OP has been soaking up CCP talking points on Reddit.



Correct. This kind of crap comes up every time a republicans take control in congress and there's a possibility of Amtrak using funding. You'd need regional commuter rail up and running and sustaining itself on the existing rail lines before we even think about hub to hub intra-city rail.

We don't really have that outside of the northeastern part of the US and Chicago.

And Louisiana? Forget about it. Louisiana would need a commuter rail like this first before we start fantasizing about real intra-city high speed rail that can truly compete with air travel. Something like this that could serve 2-3 million people:



And Louisiana has had nothing like that in 50 years. Houston has a better shot of setting that up than Louisiana.

Intra-city high speed rail is just not realistic or financially sustainable outside of parts of the northeast, Florida, California and MAYBE Texas. We have the "barely high speed" Acela routes - that is currently the best candidates for upgrading to true high speed rail.
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 4:46 pm
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
14468 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:49 pm to
It’s got to be a population density issue.

When ranking international cities by population density. The first US city on the list is NYC and it comes in only at #29.

Los Angeles comes in at 36.

The next US city is around #70.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
39569 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:54 pm to
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So if Amtrak was privatized and given subsidies and timelines with penalties people would still complain.


Subsidies?

Like the ones for California’s high speed rail project?
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
30468 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:12 pm to
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Pictures posted to eliminate the comments about the U.S. size



Russia, Europe, and China?
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
28570 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:13 pm to
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Well I’m a cargo pilot. Someone has to go pick up all the iPhones and Temu crap you buy.




Touche.

The food does suck, but every major China city is a lot cleaner and safer than any major US city.
And no I’m not saying China is great or I want to live there.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
29864 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:14 pm to
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And Louisiana? Forget about it. Louisiana would need a commuter rail like this first before we start fantasizing about real intra-city high speed rail that can truly compete with air travel. Something like this that could serve 2-3 million people:

The money is already allocated. Landry actively doesn’t want to do it. Louisiana has refused massive, like 80/20 massive, federal funding.
Posted by biscuitsngravy
Tejas, north America
Member since Jan 2011
3466 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:14 pm to
Airline lobby pumped millions to Congress attempting to block it. Southwest spend millions in Texas alone. Not good.
Posted by MasterDigger
Member since Nov 2019
2341 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:17 pm to
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Every developed country has high speed rail, why are so many against it in the U.S.?
Because we have cars and roads.
For the country, buggies and horses.
frick waiting for a train or a bus that the homeless piss in and the thieves aren't thrown out of while moving.

In China, the busses left on time. If you missed it, the next one showed up on time. No delays.
Homeless on the trains in China? No fricking way. The trains were for the people with a purpose. If you weren't there for actual transit (robbing, homeless, pandering) you were removed swiftly and painfully.

It would be like a moving homeless shelter here.



Posted by MetArl15
Washington, DC
Member since Apr 2007
11313 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:31 pm to
This is why it works so well and really only works in the NE corridor. Amtrak between DC and NY is the best way to travel. Never leave the city, you don’t need a car to get around, and it’s a better experience than flying.

Amtrak’s passenger service between DC and Boston, which includes both regional and higher speed Acela trains, essentially pays for the rest of their operations nationally.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
74887 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:57 pm to
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They are trying to build one in California, and it is going exactly as expected.
Not a single person who supports high speed rail responds to comments about CA’s fricked up system.

America doesn’t build anything anymore.

Our bureaucratic and corrupt system is incapable of building a functional high speed rail system.

It simply cannot be done.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 6:10 pm to
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Freight has had a monopoly and subsidies for a century. Take those rail lines and make them build their own.


Here is an example of someone talking out of his arse.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
46593 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 6:39 pm to
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I would like to think that the airline industry has been fighting against this sort of thing. There might be fear of not being able to legitimately compete against trains going more than 100 miles per hour.

The airlines do it cheaper than trains could even dream of doing it. Read up on the high speed rail they have been spending on in California for the past 12 years. It’s going to be way more expensive than flying LA to Frisco. And that’s if it ever gets built.

There have been many studies that try to explain why the US can’t build high speed rail as efficiently as other countries do.
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
11815 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 6:45 pm to
Georgia (Atlanta) was given $250M to start development of a new rail system between Macon and the city in the early 2000´s. That money was slush funded and hijacked. They never even took bids on it.

Democrats doing what they do…
Posted by Barrister
Member since Jul 2012
4980 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 6:50 pm to
It has a lot to do with the unique personal freedom Americans equate to having their own car and not relying on public transportation.

Bizarre
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
20026 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 6:57 pm to
Or massive costs, waste and stuffing politician pockets. See California
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21402 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 7:07 pm to
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Like the ones for California’s high speed rail project?


Shitty govt is shitty govt. You could point to their costs of trash collection, sewage, roads, taxes, police, healthcare and say well Cali does a terrible job of that, so it will never work here.

That said, an equal alternative is to improve the current flying infrastructure we have, with security theater and all.

There's little to no excuse as to why flying is so awful right now.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11688 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 7:09 pm to
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You can always not ride them

When you’re asking people to pay for them, “you can always not ride them” falls a little flat.
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does public transport make you watch the bus?

“Watch the bus”? I’m not sure whether this is a really weird typo, or a sign of mistranslation. Honestly neither would surprise me given your post history.

That said, the bus is a perfect example. No - I don’t ride the bus. But I am a taxpayer, which means I’m helping to fund the $43 or so in tax dollars that subsidize each and every individual fare on BR CATS.

I don’t think many people are against high speed rail projects. But lots of people are against paying for it.
Posted by Crisprdestroyer
Member since Sep 2017
693 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 7:11 pm to
There is nothing I want more than high speed rail throughout the US. It is the best means of travel. Every major city in US should connected. It’s the bidet of travel. Everybody talks crap about until you try it then toilet paper just doesn’t cut it anymore.
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