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re: Even the military is getting fat
Posted on 9/6/19 at 9:59 am to Scruffy
Posted on 9/6/19 at 9:59 am to Scruffy
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Your contention is that resulted in a 6% increase in Marines who classify as obese, 8% increase for Army, 9% increase for Air Force, and a 6-fold increase for the Navy?
That dog don’t hunt, Monsignor.
I would say it is about 50/50. When I was in, there definitely was a portion of Marines that were getting fatter, but also a good proportion that were getting more muscle mass. Look at old photos of Marines and the majority were skinny dudes who probably had low BMI's. Nowadays, a lot of Marines are muscular due to the wide access the gyms. In this case, why can't it be both?
ETA: Paperwork has a lot to do with retaining the fatties too. One of my friends got separated for being fat and it took over a year to do it. They put him in the fat platoon (extra PT) and then when he didn't lose weight they sent his paperwork to the Co. office to get admin sep'd. It was there for 6 months before he got out.
This post was edited on 9/6/19 at 10:01 am
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Posted on 9/6/19 at 10:00 am to Salmon
quote:The Marines we’re skinnier when all we fed them were crayons.
Chow halls across the military now have color-coded labels. The Marine Corps version is called “Fueled to fight.” While troops can eat what they want, healthy foods, including fruits, vegetables and whole grains, get a green label for “engage at will.” Fatty junk foods get a red label for “check fire.” Foods that should only be consumed occasionally are labeled yellow for “well-aimed shots.”
Posted on 9/6/19 at 10:00 am to Packer
quote:Fine, Scruffy will accept that for the marines.
why can't it be both?
It does not account for the significant increase in the other branches.
6-fold increase for the Navy?!
That is insane.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 10:03 am to Salmon
quote:That is something that was assuredly designed by a female.
this seems like something you would find in an elementary school
It probably cost $10 million to implement and is a massive waste.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 10:26 am to TigerinATL
I picked the Saints at random and based on the listed heights and weights on their roster, all 3 starting linebackers are obese according to the BMI index. My guess is most NFL linebackers would be considered obese and all of them would at least be considered overweight. And NFL linebackers are in the upper tier of fitness in the world. So BMI doesn't always tell the whole story.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 10:29 am to elposter
quote:Why do people always pick those in the extreme peak of physical condition as the proof that BMI is completely and utterly flawed?
I picked the Saints at random and based on the listed heights and weights on their roster, all 3 starting linebackers are obese according to the BMI index. My guess is most NFL linebackers would be considered obese and all of them would at least be considered overweight. And NFL linebackers are in the upper tier of fitness in the world. So BMI doesn't always tell the whole story.
They are the outliers. The margin of error.
The vast, vast majority of society fits well within the ranges.
Just because the ultimate of athletes don’t fit within the system does not mean the systems is unusable.
You aren’t an NFL athlete. If you are in the overweight or obese category, you are probably just obese or overweight.
This post was edited on 9/6/19 at 10:31 am
Posted on 9/6/19 at 10:30 am to Scruffy
It isn't both. I'm in a drill sergeant unit, I see BCT cycles every year, and it isn't the food. Simply put, recruits for all branches are coming in weaker; less muscle mass, less bone density, less ability to handle intensive physical training without getting injured. More fatties but even those that are skinny still have less lean muscle than a recruit of the same height/weight 20 years ago. There aren't enough weeks in basic training now to make up for the years of sedentary living playing video games and living on smart phones, pushing the physical training harder only causes more injuries that the DoD is paying for and will have to pay for the rest of the recruits' lives. There's talk of putting bone scanners in MEPS to filter out recruits with bad joints and setting up special pre-BCT boot camps... 
Posted on 9/6/19 at 10:32 am to TigerinATL
what is obese?
the BMI chart is a joke
the BMI chart is a joke
Posted on 9/6/19 at 10:37 am to TigerinATL
Was going to make a meme but found one instead. BMI isn't really meant as an individual measure but more for population wide statistics. But to the BMI doesn't consider muscle people.
Waist circumference and body fat percentage are what you want to use for personal health. For national health, BMI is accurate enough.
Waist circumference and body fat percentage are what you want to use for personal health. For national health, BMI is accurate enough.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 10:42 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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This board is full of 5’9 190 pound bags of milk that don’t think they’re fat because everyone around them is obese
Oh I don't doubt it at all. I know where i'm at and know what my target is. I just don't think these charts work for tall/athletic folks with a slight gut.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 10:51 am to Scruffy
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This is the sort of useless crap that only a bloated government bureaucracy would push.
I always get a kick out of my small gov't friends that are ready to slash "gov't spending and depts", but want to increase the military budgets. They treat the military like it wasn't one of the worst parts of gov't.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 10:53 am to Buster180
quote:
s this the thread where all the 5' 10" 230 baws compare themselves to NFL running backs
Naw dawg I ain't never slapped a hoe
Posted on 9/6/19 at 10:53 am to Scruffy
quote:
Your contention is that resulted in a 6% increase in Marines who classify as obese, 8% increase for Army, 9% increase for Air Force, and a 6-fold increase for the Navy?
i’m not saying it’s the only factor.
what i am saying is that the way the are “combating” high BMI is actually creating high BMI.
they respond by doubling their efforts, creating even more people with misleadingly high BMI.
and the military in general attracts people who already have misleadingly high BMI’s.
you know the type, MMA wannabe guys that all think they johnny badass and live in gyms.
and look around, there are a ton more of those guys running around today than there was a decade ago.
are there more “fatties” now? yeah i’m sure there is.
but at the same time, it’s very easy to see a large increase in guys who have high BMI that aren’t even close to being fat.
hell, my son plays HS football right now.
kids on that team are all leaner and more ripped now than they were when i was playing.
according to BMI, they’re all way overweight.
so if regular public high school football team is leaner and more muscular today than years past, wouldn’t it be reasonable to also think the military is following a similar trend?
Posted on 9/6/19 at 11:04 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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The Marines we’re skinnier when all we fed them were crayons.
We started eating glue as well and it's plugging us up
Posted on 9/6/19 at 11:05 am to TheCaterpillar
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Scruffy has a BMI of 23.7.
He was asked by a coworker why he was so skinny.
We have fricked our ability to determine what is a healthy weight.
My BMI is 25.6. I'm 6'2" 200 lbs. and should lose 10-15 lbs. People call me skinny and I am not skinny. According to my doctor, I am just over the threshold for acceptable weight. I am clinically overweight and am one of the skinnier people in my office.
Unreal how our perception of body weight has changed. If someone from high school in 1950 was transported to a high school now, they'd think they were at fat camp.
All of this. My BMI is 23 and I've been told so many times at work that I need to "eat a sandwich". Whenever we have cake or food and I don't have any, I always get multiple fatties that tell me "cLyDe wHy aRenT yOu eAtInG anY cAkE?!???!????1111"
This post was edited on 9/6/19 at 11:06 am
Posted on 9/6/19 at 11:17 am to Scruffy
All explained by the lowering of standards to allow women to "participate"
Posted on 9/6/19 at 11:25 am to Nutriaitch
Scruffy’s brother plays high school ball. Senior year.
Height 6’ 2-3”
Weight 190ish
He is in the normal range.
What some of you fail to realize is that these individuals are not in the overweight category.
This is OBESE.
It would be one thing if height and muscle mass pushed an individual into the overweight classification, but this study involves a BMI over 30.
People love to use pro athletes to discredit BMI.
Let’s use Antonio Brown.
Height 5’ 10”
Weight: Listed as 185
That puts him at 26.7.
Nowhere near OBESE.
Scruffy doesn’t think some of you comprehend the definition of obese.
Height 6’ 2-3”
Weight 190ish
He is in the normal range.
What some of you fail to realize is that these individuals are not in the overweight category.
This is OBESE.
It would be one thing if height and muscle mass pushed an individual into the overweight classification, but this study involves a BMI over 30.
People love to use pro athletes to discredit BMI.
Let’s use Antonio Brown.
Height 5’ 10”
Weight: Listed as 185
That puts him at 26.7.
Nowhere near OBESE.
Scruffy doesn’t think some of you comprehend the definition of obese.
This post was edited on 9/6/19 at 11:29 am
Posted on 9/6/19 at 11:26 am to TheCaterpillar
I mean when I was in the corps from 2003-2009 we had weight ins all the time. You would get demoted if you did not have at minimum normal BMI and decent PFT score.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 11:48 am to Scruffy
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Why do people always pick those in the extreme peak of physical condition as the proof that BMI is completely and utterly flawed?
I didn't say anything about BMI being "completely and utterly flawed". What I said, literally, was "BMI doesn't always tell the whole story." So go play with your straw man someplace else.
This thread is about obesity in active military, including the marine corps. You don't think that quite a few of these obese active duty marines being criticized might fit into the category of "BMI doesn't accurately reflect their fitness"?
Posted on 9/6/19 at 11:52 am to elposter
quote:There are some who do, but that doesn't constitute nearly 10% of marines, 20% of AF and Army, and an even larger number of Navy.
You don't think that quite a few of these obese active duty marines being criticized might fit into the category of "BMI doesn't accurately reflect their fitness"?
If Scruffy was going to pick a number, he would probably say 1-2%, MAYBE.
Even if you take that into account, you still have a 4-5% increase in the Marines, 7-8% increase in the AF and Army, and a multiple times increase in the Navy.
And again, this is obesity, not overweight.
This post was edited on 9/6/19 at 11:55 am
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