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re: Dumb question, I know, but is Islam a form of Christianity?
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:31 am to slackster
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:31 am to slackster
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Same God, not Christianity though.
Is it, though?
If two groups attribute highly different traits, motivations and actions to the same theorized entity, are those entities truly the same?
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:35 am to TDsngumbo
I grew up Baptist and I have fond memories of planning suicide bombing missions over Christmas break. Cheering at the death of non Baptist children in their aftermath.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:35 am to Harry Caray
Christians believe that Jesus is the son of God, which means he is God.. muslims believe Jesus was just a prophet, which could mean they are closer to Jews than they are Christians
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:36 am to TDsngumbo
Go tell that to a devout muslim and watch their reaction.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:38 am to Pettifogger
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Is it, though? If two groups attribute highly different traits, motivations and actions to the same theorized entity, are those entities truly the same?
Same god, in this case, means lineage. It's an oversimplified way to put, but it explains the confusion.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:39 am to Pettifogger
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If two groups attribute highly different traits, motivations and actions to the same theorized entity, are those entities truly the same?
Theoretically yes. They believe that that God came from the same place and spoke through some of the same people. The difference between the three Abrahamic faiths is which prophets those faiths put the most emphasis on listening to. In Christianity, the most important prophet is Jesus, who is seen as the son of God, a divine being in his own right. His teachings are the focus of the religion.
In Islam, it is Muhammed who is seen as the Messiah. It is thus his teachings and philosophy that is given the most weight and is considered to be governing.
In Judaism, they don't believe the Messiah has come yet. So, the prophet they give the most weight to is that of Moses, who wrote the first 5 books of the Old Testiment. In those books, you will find the rules given by God to govern society.
Some of those rules (but far from all) were adopted by Islam. While those rules also informed Christian civilizations, many do not abide by those laws, seeing Jesus as replacing them, rather than supplanting them.
In reality, Jesus did not tell people to stop following the laws handed down in Deuteronomy and Leviticus, but rather that mankind should not be in charge of enforcement of those laws, that God is the ultimate judge (rather than man), that those laws represent a standard worth striving for, that forgiveness and atonement for failing to live up to those standards is available on earth, that those whose sins are forgiven are granted eternal life in heaven while those who sin spend eternity in Hell, and that some simpler rules of thumb to follow (the beatitudes and the golden rule) tend to be an easy way to avoid breaking most of them.
These are key differences, but do not necessarily mean that the God itself is different despite these different religions calling their one God by different names.
This post was edited on 4/22/19 at 11:48 am
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:40 am to TDsngumbo
A Christian follows Christ.
A Muslim does not.
Not the same.
A Muslim does not.
Not the same.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:40 am to TDsngumbo
They are both considered Abrahamic faiths, because they both trace their roots to Abraham.
Your “friend” is equating the Old Testament with Christianity, which is precisely the difference in the two. Jews, Christians, and albeit a different version of the story, Muslims, all subscribe to the Old Testament concepts.
In short, Muslims believe Mohammed fulfilled the law and the prophets and Christians believe Jesus Christ (Christians~little Christs) fulfills the law and prophets. Jews believe that it has not yet been fulfilled.
Your “friend” is equating the Old Testament with Christianity, which is precisely the difference in the two. Jews, Christians, and albeit a different version of the story, Muslims, all subscribe to the Old Testament concepts.
In short, Muslims believe Mohammed fulfilled the law and the prophets and Christians believe Jesus Christ (Christians~little Christs) fulfills the law and prophets. Jews believe that it has not yet been fulfilled.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:41 am to TDsngumbo
Mohammad believed himself the be sent by God, that Jesus came and the people fell wayside therefore God sent Mohammad.
Now it is More technical than that and Mohammad did not lead a godly life the way that Jesus did he felt that people needed to be punished for sinful actions yet he was above it. Which is why he cheated and slept with underage girls
Now it is More technical than that and Mohammad did not lead a godly life the way that Jesus did he felt that people needed to be punished for sinful actions yet he was above it. Which is why he cheated and slept with underage girls
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:41 am to TDsngumbo
Admit it, you hang out with idiots to make yourself feel better, don’t you?
This post was edited on 4/22/19 at 11:42 am
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:41 am to JumpingTheShark
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He probably means that both religions worship the same God.
No they don’t.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:44 am to TDsngumbo
quote:No.
is Muslim a form of Christianity?
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:51 am to TDsngumbo
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Dumb question, I know, but is Islam a form of Christianity?
To be Christian means you believe in the divinity of Christ. Muslims believe that Jesus was one of many in a line of prophets, the penultimate one being Muhammad. Islam is based off of the teachings of all of the prophets to an extent, but all their most sacred texts are Mohammad's words, either written or copied from his spoken words.
So no, Islam is not Christian. Jews also believe that Jesus was a prophet, or great spiritual teacher; but they are also not Christians.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:52 am to TDsngumbo
muslims believe there is a god, they just dont believe jesus was real and think of him as a false prophet and fraud and an abomination to god.
this is why they hate christians, they think of them as worshiping false god so they are viewed in the same regard like devil worshipers
this is why they hate christians, they think of them as worshiping false god so they are viewed in the same regard like devil worshipers
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:53 am to TDsngumbo
Your friend is right. Islam is form of neo-Pentecostalism.
The Pentecostals took down the towers. Jihadi John was a former deacon at the Mt. Zion church in D.C. before making his way out to the Levant.
The Pentecostals took down the towers. Jihadi John was a former deacon at the Mt. Zion church in D.C. before making his way out to the Levant.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:55 am to keakar
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muslims believe there is a god, they just dont believe jesus was real and think of him as a false prophet and fraud and an abomination to god.
this is why they hate christians, they think of them as worshiping false god so they are viewed in the same regard like devil worshipers
Couldn't be further from the truth. Muslims hate Christians becasue Christians represent the west, the west backs israel, and Palestine wants Israel to cease to exist. They have a favorable opinion of Jesus, he was second to Muhammad in terms of importance during the time of Muhammad.
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In Islam, ?Isa ibn Maryam (Arabic: ???? ?? ?????, lit. 'Jesus, son of Mary'), or Jesus, is understood to be the penultimate prophet and messenger of God (Allah) and al-Masih, the Arabic term for Messiah (Christ), sent to guide the Children of Israel with a new revelation: al-Injil (Arabic for "the gospel").[1][2][3] Jesus is believed to be a prophet who neither married nor had any children and is reflected as a significant figure, being found in the Quran in 93 verses with various titles attached such as "Son of Mary" and other relational terms, mentioned directly and indirectly, over 187 times.[2][4][5][6][6][7] He is thus the most mentioned person in the Quran by reference; 25 times by the name Isa, third-person 48 times, first-person 35 times, and the rest as titles and attributes.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:58 am to Pettifogger
Interestingly, Islam does have a thing for Mary. She is the only woman mentioned by name in the Quran (and is mentioned by name more often in the Quran than the New Testament), and they do affirm the virgin birth. What I cannot understand is, if you believe Jesus is just another profit, why was the virgin birth necessary?
Posted on 4/22/19 at 12:00 pm to kingbob
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These are key differences, but do not necessarily mean that the God itself is different despite these different religions calling their one God by different names.
From a "proper" theological perspective I would disagree. The distinctions in Abrahamic faiths isn't useful for my discussion but may be for OP. That said I suspect we're not discussing the same thing.
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