re: Dudes dropping out of dating game.

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Dunno why you're being downvoted but this is true. It's been true for 20+ years. Guys don't know how to talk to women without spazzing out. Being able to talk and not sound like a buffoon trumps good looks in the long run. Well as long as you aren't ugly. Being not ugly is the biggest thing.

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I think you and the other poster are right but at the same time I think people completely overestimate what "game" is. Usually they think of "game" as some sort of creative line or charm when in a lot of cases simply being natural can project exactly what you want.

Aside from that, you can't maintain some overly theatric facade forever. Eventually the initial attraction normalizes and you start to have more normal interactions.

The key is to stop believing that women are as perfect as our society projects them to be. They have issues and even the best looking ones eventually show some issues that can cause frustration.


This is where simping goes wrong and is every bit at fault for female narcissism as much as anyone.

The 5 feels like a 9 because you treat her like a 9 and even when she farts in your face and has a nasty arse apartment you still treat her like a 9. Have some damn standards and stop giving women the passes they would never grant you.

The see the truth you have to place less emphasis on arse/tits/sex and more on character.

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if I was a young white man now I think more than ever you need to be outgoing and stand out. Take some dance lessons, get your confidence up, dress nice, travel to some international destinations alone. I dont think looks or height matter as much as being engaging and interesting. You arent going to become interesting playing video games all night. women want what they see on social media so you better be able to give them a good time. the days of women wanting the normal average white guy just because he was at the top of the food chain economically are done.

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Dude you’re missing the point, all of this is exactly why guys are checking out of the dating game. You’re saying they should do all of that just for a chance to sleep with a chick who can/will drop them immediately when they get bored. F all that.

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The men I spoke with—ranging from ages 17 to 33 and living in rural New Jersey to Austin, Texas—said they felt overlooked in a competitive dating market, where women often list salary requirements and height preferences on their profiles.
To see if things were as bad as they claimed, I joined two major dating platforms—Tinder and Hinge—and posed as a hip, 30-year-old business owner with a full head of hair and a degree from NYU. A few swipes in, I spotted a busty blonde leaning over in a halter dress with the caption, “Together we could find out if you’re lying about your height.”

Then, a 22-year-old, captured in a selfie at her work cubicle with her cleavage resting on her desk, wrote: “Don’t superlike me if ur ugly I already have a lot going on.”

Another woman, a five-feet-two-inch bombshell named Ashly, warned men: “If you [are] one of those ‘split the check’ or not wealthy. . . NEXT.”

That financial pressure is what screws men over most, said Jess Carbino, the former in-house sociologist for Tinder and Bumble.

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Sounds like a win. Don't get involved with women who are only after money. They are filtering themselves out.

"Game" is bullshite. ( at least the way some define it)

Be yourself, be articulate, dress well, be in reasonable shape, and they'll all call back.



Then you decide which ones you want to pursue further.

Why any man would allow the woman to decide is beyond logic.

They're there to impress me.


Now, if you're 37, living at home, with no career, and you pay video games all day, then yeah, it's gonna be tough to knock it down.

Save the fat chicks for the rest of us

Yeah, you see this widespread on Reddit.

Guess what? Reddit is filled with autist nerds who are living with mom and unattractive. Of course they’re pointing fingers at normal people.

Well adjusted men out in the real world may be opting not to marry, but they’re not giving up on dating because nobody will look at them.

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While I agree young guys are at a disadvantage now, these threads start to gather reddit type incel people all the time and it just turns into a woe is me bitch fest. No one is ever at fault for anything and it's always the women's fault. Look in the mirror sometimes

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I think the article misses an important point. I'm a divorce lawyer and I see a ton of shite relationships. Guys either lock down a woman early like high school or deal with baggage the woman brings into the relationship. I feel like guys are "dropping out the dating game" because of this.

Not putting all the blame on women, but what you tend to see is a woman with kids from a prior relationship who may have more than one baby daddy, demanding the new man, who often doesn't have kids, meet all these requirements of being a "top tier" partner, when they don't meet those requirements themselves.

For instance, my brother is single and 23. He's getting to the age where his options are limited if he doesn't want to deal with someone else's kids. He's 6'7" decent shape, blonde hair, and blue eyes. Should be pick of the litter. A chick he was fooling around with told him she wanted him to chase her. He said frick that "I don't run fast." Gangster on his part. They already been on a few dates and fooled around why should he fight for her with other dudes?

My best friend is in his mid 30s and he resigned to the fact that he just won't get married at this point. He had a fiancée he was with for years, and she cheated on him. So he's single now. Unless he wants to play stepdaddy, he's looking at dating significantly younger women or crazy cat ladies. I don't envy his position at all.

Not to take away anything from the stepdads who step up. That's noble, but it's something I don't know if I'd want to deal with it, especially after dealing with so many divorces and the drama that comes with it.

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what you tend to see is a woman with kids from a prior relationship

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Not raising some other guy's kid unless he's dead. Got better things to do with my life. Guys have to stop abetting this behavior.

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A chick he was fooling around with told him she wanted him to chase her. He said frick that "I don't run fast."

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Good call. Every woman think her hole is gold lined. She forgets every woman has one.

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Guys don't know how to talk to women without spazzing out.

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Simply being able to talk to a woman, and better yet listen (not solution for) how they like you too, is the ultimate aphrodisiac.

There are a few colliding issues...

1 - The market is more visible thanks to social media, so women in general of low and high value all want "high value" men. The standards become illogical / borderline delusional. This leads to the few HV men having their pick of the group. He's not going to choose a LV woman.

2 - Women and Men value different things..

Women value stability, security, and looks.
Men value looks, consistency, youth, and purity. Men do NOT typically value a woman's careers / success / money. It typically has no bearing on who a man chooses to date.


Modern Feminism had emboldened young women to go through the hoe phase as many have stated in this thread. Women have always been the gatekeepers for sex, so number of partners for a man has always been viewed differently than number of partners for a woman. When they are finally ready to settle down, they have typically lost both their youth and purity.

I've heard a very wealthy buddy say "I wouldn't pay $300k for a used Lamborghini" and its a pretty valid analogy in my opinion.


3 - Almost 80% of all divorces are initiated by women. Want to see something crazy, compare traditional divorce rates to Lesbian divorce rates.