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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

Posted on 3/26/20 at 12:46 pm to
Posted by Unknown_Poster
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 3/26/20 at 12:46 pm to
They didn't get far enough ahead of it. Waited to impose a lockdown for several weeks.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/26/20 at 12:48 pm to
And the UK?
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 3/26/20 at 12:53 pm to
And a lockdown doesn't have the desired effect right away. When it's announced, people immediately have to prepare, and they may then live with different family members, etc.

Here in Baton Rouge, I had to run to Best Buy, Walmart, Office Depot, etc. to find ethernet cable, webcam, etc. to work from home. Everyone went to the grocery store to fight over TP. One of my employees, a college student from California, flew home.

So, the announcement of a lockdown probably actually causes an initial spike, and then family members get infected, so it doesn't stop the spread for a while.

One of the things that Wuhan did which was effective was quickly get infected people out of their houses and into external quarantine. Cities (especially New Orleans) should immediately set up a hotel for those who test positive but do not yet need hospitalization. That keeps families safe and slows the spread.

Wuhan did the same thing for healthcare workers. They also need a hotel so that they can avoid bringing the virus home.
This post was edited on 3/26/20 at 12:54 pm
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
10610 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 12:53 pm to
Has any sensitivity or specificity numbers been posted on any of the tests deployed?

Even with all the talk of US ignoring test sent out by WHO (US was trying to develop an overly complicated one that initially had a 2nd part adding testing for other coronaviruses but stopped requiring it when it had false positive issues in other labs) unless a ton are given like S Korea which also included govt monitoring and tracing on spending, locations, and communications to test a positive's possible contacts it spread across Europe. It spread some in SKorea but just obviously could have been a lot worse without their set up that also had to allow for multiple tests of people that may have tested negative in a past recent test or tests (positive could be new from prior test or existing infection not caught depending on what stage test becomes effective and test's accuracy but in large quantities with quick results doesn't seem to matter as far as slowing outbreak as when in doubt they could just retest and get results quickly).

I keep wondering about false positives for asymptomatics and false negatives for spread where testing done at fairly good levels but just not to level & speed of results of S Korea. I assume in some places asymptomatic people get multiple tests confirming infection and have to test negative multiple to be considered recovered, but I am not certain if all handled the same.
Posted by nerd guy
Grapevine
Member since Dec 2008
13811 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 12:55 pm to
quote:

And a lockdown doesn't have the desired effect right away. When it's announced, people immediately have to prepare, and they may then live with different family members, etc.

Here in Baton Rouge, I had to run to Best Buy, Walmart, Office Depot, etc. to find ethernet cable, webcam, etc. to work from home. Everyone went to the grocery store to fight over TP. One of my employees, a college student from California, flew home.

So, the announcement of a lockdown probably actually causes an initial spike, and then family members get infected, so it doesn't stop the spread for a while.



Not only that i'm sure people aren't getting tested until a week or more after getting infected. So test will lag behind the stay-in-place orders due to symptoms showing up later.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20974 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 12:56 pm to
I don't think that any of those numbers are known. PCR tests are supposed to have a sensitivity well above 80%, but who knows if that's what is really happening.

On that note, take a look at what happened when Spain bought a bunch of rapid tests from China -- 30% sensitivity.

LINK
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20974 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 12:58 pm to
Also, Italy has had significant problems with COVID-19 spread inside hospitals, as infected patients gave the virus to those who came to the hospital for other reasons.
Posted by nerd guy
Grapevine
Member since Dec 2008
13811 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 12:59 pm to
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Why on earth are new cases surging in a nation on lockdown for 16 days?



This plot is considered surging?

Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
74866 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 1:03 pm to
How many times have you copied and pasted this exact sentiment in this one thread? 3 - 4 times?
Posted by Unknown_Poster
Member since Jun 2013
5758 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 1:05 pm to
I dunno, how many times have you posted the 'duh, this is a nothing burger' sentiment in this thread?
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 1:06 pm to
Let's talk micro-herd immunity for the small cohort of healthcare workers/clinicians

Obviously these people are far more likely to get this virus and get it very early. Quite a few have already gotten it all over the country.

2 questions:

1. Are they having a higher rate of critical care needed than the standard population?

2. Wouldn't them getting it now, still relatively early in this thing, be a good thing? That way they can work unimpeded by the fear of contraction and missing work later on when the numbers get higher.

Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
74866 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 1:07 pm to
0.

Gonna be a real stretch for you to post evidence otherwise. Good luck.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 1:08 pm to
quote:

Are they just going around testing everyone or are the new cases people just becoming really sick and going to the hospitals?



Both.

More tests and more people who already had it are getting worse and seeking hospital care.

In a week, we'll really see what the lockdown did for Italy.

Posted by Unknown_Poster
Member since Jun 2013
5758 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 1:10 pm to
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Gonna be a real stretch for you to post evidence otherwise. Good luck.

LINK

Whew... that took some effort.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
74866 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 1:15 pm to
pathetic.

Go back to Facebook with your overly dramatic conjecture and nonsense. It’s sad and reeks of insecurity.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19575 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 1:16 pm to
Wow, you have reading comprehension problems in addition to being a simpleton.
Posted by BillyBobfan24_7
R.I.P. SGT Nelson
Member since May 2004
18580 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 1:54 pm to
I'm sure it was probably discussed on here already. But ofcourse FB warriors are posting that ibuprofen and advil are making people worse instead of fighting the fever. I thought that tylenol was normally used to fight fever not the aforementioned.
Posted by heatom2
At the plant, baw.
Member since Nov 2010
13092 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 1:55 pm to
You typically rotate acetaminophen and ibuprofen for lingering high fevers.
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
13136 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 2:00 pm to
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This plot is considered surging?


Your plot leaves off today's increase of 6,203 cases. This after 5,210 yesterday, and 5,249 the previous day, and 4,789 the day before that. "Surging" is too strong. "Increasing" is accurate. It sucks for Italy.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74206 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 2:09 pm to
Just saw that Italy tested 10,000 more people today than yesterday
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