re: Controversial Opinion - Teachers don’t deserve pay raises

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But yeah, pay the education major that is teaching biology, that doesn't have a degree in biology, chemistry, astronomy, or physics as if they're the cream of the crop.

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if you’re talking secondary I think almost every state there’s a requirement to be certified in the area you teach. What that certification is varies by state but you have to prove at least some level of proficiency. For example I got asked by my principal at my old school if I’d be willing to teach physics one year since my meteorology degree translated. I told him I would but backed out when I found out I’d have to take the physics praxis and I didn’t feel like dealing with going through all that.

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“You knew what you signed up for”

Is anyone on this board arguing that your job is less important than others? Do you want people on here to thank you for your service? You sort of created this comparison on your own.

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The thread is about teacher pay raises. and how there's always some sympathy around them. Their jobs are very safe from accidental death or dismemberment and the basis upon which their jobs are founded changes very little if any over the course of a career.

It is also a profession that stay at home moms with no teaching degree have been very successful at.

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Teachers are needed and they do deserve pay raises, however; it shouldn't be across the board. It should be merit based. One way to do it is the first week of school or two weeks before school starts, for 3 or 4 days, kids take a test to see where they are going into the next grade. Then at the end of school they are given a similar test. Then the two test can be compared and see where the class improved or see if they learned what they were supposed to.. And then have a point system that determines the amount their raise will be or have a bonus incentive or something..

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Even more effective would be to base any potential raise the child’s parents get at work on their children’s progress toward leaning objectives

You are right, teachers went in knowing their pay. Just like everyone goes into a job knowing what they will earn. The issue is that they are not fairly compensated for that initial pay. While you may routinely get bonuses and pay increases, teachers receive "step" pay, which is usually 150-500 per year, and a stipend of 1000-1500 every 3 years.

So the pay is not keeping up with the times. Those quoting "average teacher pay" should look at districts and see what they pay. Most teachers are between 45 and 50k. The data is manipulated by those working at the central office, who are still classified as "teachers" while making close to six figures.

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1. They are with your child for 8 hours, 182 days a year

If your child sleeps 8 hours a night, then you are active with your child for 8 hours each day. Now, if you bring your child to a sitter or they go in the afternoon, then it becomes less.

If during the summer you work, they go to a sitter for 8+ hours a day (usually more)

Then yeah, I can see many teachers who are with students more than their parents are.

2. Wait, parents actually teaching their kids is a bad thing? My parents read with me, taught me letters, numbers, etc before I ever entered school. Then worked with me every day after school to ensure that I would have success.

3. Teachers aren't driven by test scores, districts are


They deserve a raise in the sense that prices have risen and salaries have not. They deserve to be compensated and given a real world salary when prices have unfairly out gained their salary.

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I’m a high school math teacher. Kinder teachers work way the hell harder than I do

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I could probably walk into any school in America and teach math (not calculus), history, PE, and a few electives.

Teaching kinder? No effing way.

Yeah, OP made up a bunch of shite, then bitched out and never came back. Sad to see.

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Supply and demand of people wanting to be in a certain profession dictates pay

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Nope. It's dictated by government.

Private school can be different. But government is the ultimate monopoly, and it chokes out incentivizing better teachers.

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So which one are you a firefighter or a teacher? Best friend is a chief fireman and ex wife was a teacher so i do have some knowledge . Sorry to have ruffled your feathers.

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Retired fire baw, feathers aren’t ruffled just calling out when people make up stuff. What dept does your friend work for?