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re: Colleges claiming to be "in-person" are pulling a bait and switch this Fall....
Posted on 6/23/20 at 8:45 am to Tiger Ryno
Posted on 6/23/20 at 8:45 am to Tiger Ryno
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hire education
Is this a jobs program for liberals.
Is it tied to another stimulus plan?
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Posted on 6/23/20 at 8:56 am to SloaneRanger
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Would not pay the tuition. I'd have my kid take a gap year instead. Online education is close to worthless.
Pretty much everything I learned in college classes is worthless. The valuable stuff was learning how to grow up, live on your own, be responsible, how to network, how to interact with people from different walks of life, how to balance work and play, how to jump through a bunch of hoops to get a paper on your wall that said you are smart enough to figure out how to jump through all the hoops, and have some level of persistence . That's the stuff all these online kids will miss out on and why online classes are worthless.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 9:00 am to SloaneRanger
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Would not pay the tuition. I'd have my kid take a gap year instead. Online education is close to worthless.
One problem is that a lot of folks already paid deposits on dorms or apartments and are obligated. These son of a bitches knew that.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 9:04 am to escatawpabuckeye
More like un-hired education.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 9:18 am to Anaximander
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This post was edited on 9/24/20 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 6/23/20 at 9:26 am to Tiger Ryno
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destroys hire education
I got a good laugh out of this Posted on 6/23/20 at 9:29 am to deltaland
Freshman classes are huge and anyone who thought they wouldn’t be online was naive. Now upper level classes are smaller and most likely will be in person
Posted on 6/23/20 at 9:29 am to Anaximander
would be funny if half the students did not enroll in the online or "in person" watch the univerity presidents go apoplectic.....would love to see it....would suck for football but watching our elites squirm would be worth it.
This post was edited on 6/23/20 at 9:31 am
Posted on 6/23/20 at 9:35 am to Hangit
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If it could just take out the liberal arts degrees. I will contemplate it this evening as I sit around the camp figher.
Yeah, let's get rid of economics, history, psychology, English, modern languages, political science, geography, and other liberal arts degrees that have no use in today's society.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 9:37 am to Tiger Ryno
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Hopefully this pandemic hoax finally destroys hire education once and for good.
For someone who obviously did not pursue HIGHER education, you sure seem rustled.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 9:38 am to tigerbacon
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Freshman classes are huge and anyone who thought they wouldn’t be online was naive. Now upper level classes are smaller and most likely will be in person
That is actually the opposite of what is occurring with schools which are going back with a mixture of online and in person classes (the majority of schools). The colleges need to keep up their 4-5 year graduation rates and freshman retention numbers, for rankings. They know it is important to engage freshmen with the school and campus so they do not leave, and that incoming freshmen are more likely to take a gap year. So they are making most freshmen classes in person by making smaller classes, and making most upperclassmen courses online. Sucks for the upperclassmen, but there is only so much space and only so many teachers.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 9:51 am to Anaximander
From both personal experience and from the stories of others, I could write volumes about the absurd cost of higher education today.
I'm not one of for free college (lord, Bernie is off his rocker), but I would not mind seeing the Federal government take a heavier interest in the wild expenditures of these universities, considering they are the ones holding the bag on over 75% of student loans.
My parents foot the bill for my undergraduate experience at Alabama. While it was no doubt a fun time, made great friends and got to see some great football along the way, it was under no circumstance worth the cost of admission. The classes my freshman and sophomore year bordered laughably easy, and from a networking perspective (at the time), the school did little to tap into its alumni base to drive what is the ultimate ROE - a job. Where I'm at now is more to do with my graduate school education, and networking I got from it, and on my own.
Schools like Alabama and Ole Miss, in particular, are massive beneficiaries of having state schools like Georgia, Georgia Tech, Texas, and Florida be filled with the state's brimming top talent for basically a no-cost experience.
A good to very good student in Dallas or Atlanta may very well not get into Texas, Georgia, or Georgia Tech. For kids in Georgia (particularly, the Atlanta DMA), you are faced with having to attend a school like Georgia Southern or Kennesaw State, meat-market schools with virtually no-cache and extraordinarily limited exit opportunities compared to GT/UGA, or, shell out 3x dollars to attend Clemson, FSU, Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, etc... where your degree doesn't take you out of the running for future opportunities.
The aforementioned schools are living high on the hog due to the cup runneth over of talented students in outside states. Last I checked, both UA and OM are 70% OOS. It's great for the universities as it greatly broadens their alumni base and creates a diverse student body not necessarily accumulated at schools like LSU or Miss. State, but it does come at a cost to students that go and have to take out loans.
Schools, in general, need to cut spending. These lavish classrooms, dorms, tenure salaries, etc... are getting out of hand.
Alabama is a beautiful school and campus, but at what point do you just say - this 5th Equinox-like gym in Tutwiller is a little overboard for 18-22-year-olds?
College is as much about the experience as it is education. The experience comes from the people at the school. If I was a student and paying OOS tuition, there isn't a chance in hell I would attend school online. I'd get a job, find an internship... anything besides pay OOS for an online experience.
The job market is going to suck for a while like it did in 08-12. You aren't missing anything.
I'm not one of for free college (lord, Bernie is off his rocker), but I would not mind seeing the Federal government take a heavier interest in the wild expenditures of these universities, considering they are the ones holding the bag on over 75% of student loans.
My parents foot the bill for my undergraduate experience at Alabama. While it was no doubt a fun time, made great friends and got to see some great football along the way, it was under no circumstance worth the cost of admission. The classes my freshman and sophomore year bordered laughably easy, and from a networking perspective (at the time), the school did little to tap into its alumni base to drive what is the ultimate ROE - a job. Where I'm at now is more to do with my graduate school education, and networking I got from it, and on my own.
Schools like Alabama and Ole Miss, in particular, are massive beneficiaries of having state schools like Georgia, Georgia Tech, Texas, and Florida be filled with the state's brimming top talent for basically a no-cost experience.
A good to very good student in Dallas or Atlanta may very well not get into Texas, Georgia, or Georgia Tech. For kids in Georgia (particularly, the Atlanta DMA), you are faced with having to attend a school like Georgia Southern or Kennesaw State, meat-market schools with virtually no-cache and extraordinarily limited exit opportunities compared to GT/UGA, or, shell out 3x dollars to attend Clemson, FSU, Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, etc... where your degree doesn't take you out of the running for future opportunities.
The aforementioned schools are living high on the hog due to the cup runneth over of talented students in outside states. Last I checked, both UA and OM are 70% OOS. It's great for the universities as it greatly broadens their alumni base and creates a diverse student body not necessarily accumulated at schools like LSU or Miss. State, but it does come at a cost to students that go and have to take out loans.
Schools, in general, need to cut spending. These lavish classrooms, dorms, tenure salaries, etc... are getting out of hand.
Alabama is a beautiful school and campus, but at what point do you just say - this 5th Equinox-like gym in Tutwiller is a little overboard for 18-22-year-olds?
College is as much about the experience as it is education. The experience comes from the people at the school. If I was a student and paying OOS tuition, there isn't a chance in hell I would attend school online. I'd get a job, find an internship... anything besides pay OOS for an online experience.
The job market is going to suck for a while like it did in 08-12. You aren't missing anything.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 10:09 am to ATLabama
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Schools, in general, need to cut spending. These lavish classrooms, dorms, tenure salaries, etc... are getting out of hand.
Oh don't worry. Colleges and universities have been working on this for a while by increasing the number of instructors, VAPs, and adjunct professors hired to teach college courses.
I think a better area to scrutinize the increased number of positions and salaries for administrators. That is getting crazy.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 12:11 pm to ATLabama
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This post was edited on 9/24/20 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 6/23/20 at 12:17 pm to Anaximander
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Would not pay the tuition. I'd have my kid take a gap year instead. Online education is close to worthless.
One problem is that a lot of folks already paid deposits on dorms or apartments and are obligated. These son of a bitches knew that.
Another problem is scholarships.
If you take a gap year, you run the risk of the scholarship not being there when you decide to return.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 12:18 pm to Anaximander
Between kids not being able to take the classes they need in person and their parents reluctance to pay for this combined with the millions of dollars they are going to lose from no athletics this fall, colleges are about to be in for a world of hurt. Its been long past due, the education bubble has been hyper-inflated and has needed to pop for awhile. I think they should look at laying off their diversity and inclusion departments and feminist dance therapy teachers first and foremost.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 12:20 pm to Anaximander
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These money machines did not want to lose their precious money from dorms and such and feared students deciding to go to a local college cheaper if classes were to be online so they LIED and acted as if it were to be much closer to normal.
Most colleges effectively became nothing more than a money grab when they started tacking on mandatory charges to tuition, whether a student wanted or even intended to use the service or not. It is one giant hustle.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:02 pm to Anaximander
Specifically what colleges have you heard about lying or doing a “bait and switch?” I’m very familiar with what dozens of colleges are doing, and although I know many are not providing satisfactory solutions to their students, I have not heard of any who have lied to their students and are not providing what they agreed to provide. Would love a list of these schools, and hope people consider this lack of honesty in choosing a school in the future.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:17 pm to TxTiger82
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Faculty salaries aren't the problem. Bloated administration and student services is the problem. Hard to point the finger at a tenured prof making 100k when there are low-level admins making twice that while doing nothing for the core functionality of the university.
Correct. Faculty don't get absurd salaries. Some are high, but the highest I knew of were making around $300k/year with a ton of administrative duties over big research centers and departments.
You can make a butt-load more money in industry than academia, easily 3 times as much in some cases.
The problems in higher ed have a lot more to do with ridiculous initiatives, over-bloated research costs, wastes of money on specialty programs for small groups and actually destroying the critical and open thinking and debate that should occur on college campuses.
We spend more money on sheltering kids' minds instead of doing what we should in forcing them to learn to debate and be open to opposing views. You don't have to accept those views, but you should be able to handle others having them.
I dealt with racism and prejudice my whole life. I've dealt with repercussions to it in my career. In the end, I don't mind it. Just like those Nutjobs in Free Speech Alley more than 2 decades ago telling me I am going to hell every day, I just told them "See you there!". I didn't go to anyone claiming I shouldn't have to hear that mess even if I didn't.
Thick skin is no longer a thing, and we have to pay for that stupidity.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:29 pm to Anaximander
Straight facts. It’s all bullshite.
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