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Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:22 am to rocket31
quote:
whats holding back nuclear adoption?
The price.
It costs more to build a new unit than can be repaid in the plants lifetime.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:22 am to member12
The big problem is that ERCOT didnt winterize their equipment. Greenland runs wind year round, as do states in the northern US. Texas didnt feel like spending money to winterize and here we are.
Also peak summer production is over 120 gw. So why did the grid fail with barely half the demand.
Also peak summer production is over 120 gw. So why did the grid fail with barely half the demand.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:23 am to IAmNERD
quote:
I'll never understand why more aren't pushing for it.
I have heard liberals point to 3-mile Island being the reason they are against it.
They don’t know that was a story where an issue happened and no one was hurt.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:24 am to rocket31
quote:
whats holding back nuclear adoption?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:24 am to Buryl
quote:
The big problem is that ERCOT didnt winterize their equipment. Greenland runs wind year round, as do states in the northern US. Texas didnt feel like spending money to winterize and here we are.
Now show us the energy output from wind Greenland gets. Also winterizing energy infrastructure in Greenland makes sense for a country in snow/ice for months of the year.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:25 am to GoT1de
quote:
The price.
It costs more to build a new unit than can be repaid in the plants lifetime.
ah, interesting. well that is not great then
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:26 am to tiggerthetooth
So blaming the widespread outages on some tiny sliver of wind energy, that suffered shut downs for the same reason natural gas production has dropped (not prepared for winter storms of this magnitude), is stupid and pure political theater
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:27 am to member12
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But you can see that the big problem was wind and solar
We must be looking at different charts. The biggest dip I see is from natural gas.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:31 am to The Spleen
Look again, Mr. Magoo
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 10:32 am
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:31 am to rocket31
quote:
whats holding back nuclear adoption?
See the nuclear plant construction shitshows in South Carolina and Georgia. They sent Westinghouse into bankruptcy.
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 10:35 am
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:32 am to tiggerthetooth
When did the DOE waive the pollution requirements for the Texas grid? Was wondering if that corresponded with the jump in gas. Regardless the blaming of this on a specific source is idiotic and just politicians shifting this into some partisan battle away from what was a colossal failure. All of these sources are viable in cold weather if they’re prepared properly for it. The question is whether they should be going forward for what’s an outlier event.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:35 am to The Spleen
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We must be looking at different charts. The biggest dip I see is from natural gas.
Look at the totals from Feb 8th.
Almost all solar and wind generation disappeared.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:37 am to Colonel Flagg
Why is more natural gas not used when it is so cheap and plentiful?
Natural gas makes sense in places where it's plentiful. Coal makes sense in places where it's plentiful. Wind makes sense in places with steady air currents.
Also the people saying it's libruls shutting down nuclear, I'm pretty sure there is resistance from both sides of the aisle that makes no sense. Most greenies I know are pro-nuclear.
Natural gas makes sense in places where it's plentiful. Coal makes sense in places where it's plentiful. Wind makes sense in places with steady air currents.
Also the people saying it's libruls shutting down nuclear, I'm pretty sure there is resistance from both sides of the aisle that makes no sense. Most greenies I know are pro-nuclear.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:39 am to Cocotheape
quote:
So blaming the widespread outages on some tiny sliver of wind energy, that suffered shut downs for the same reason natural gas production has dropped (not prepared for winter storms of this magnitude), is stupid and pure political theater
Natural gas was able to ramp up to increased demand just not enough. The energy supply faltered across the board because of the weather, but it's obvious the renewables went in the opposite direction when needed the most.
I don't know how you come away from this thinking both natural gas and renewables failed the same. The chart shows a different story.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:41 am to The Spleen
quote:LOL at the turds upvoting this.
We must be looking at different charts. The biggest dip I see is from natural gas.
Look at the chart, then look at the date range along the bottom, then think about what days Texas had problems and look at the chart again.
If Texas would have been more reliant on renewables it would have been an even bigger disaster.
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 10:44 am
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:41 am to Buryl
quote:
The big problem is that ERCOT didnt winterize their equipment. Greenland runs wind year round, as do states in the northern US. Texas didnt feel like spending money to winterize and here we are.
Does ERCOT operate and maintain power plants?
I believe the answer is “no,” but someone more well-versed in the Texas electricity market feel free to correct me.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:43 am to dewster
quote:
Look at the totals from Feb 8th.
I'm looking at the date the storm hit on 2/15. Natural gas, coal, wind, and solar all dropped significantly. The biggest dip I see is natural gas.
I think it's stupid to blame one source, and people that are trying to do that have ulterior motives that are likely politically motivated. The failure was across all sources at varying levels.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:44 am to Colonel Flagg
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Why is more natural gas not used when it is so cheap and plentiful?
Good question. I love having NG to heat and cook with but I live in an almost 100 year old house. Most new house builds don't have NG and that is strictly a developer decision. Maybe customers will start demanding it after this fiasco.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 10:46 am to Cocotheape
quote:
So blaming the widespread outages on some tiny sliver of wind energy,
I was surprised to learn that wind is the #2 producer of electricity in Texas. It contributes 20% of the electricity in Texas. So not a tiny sliver.
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