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Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:10 am to fightin tigers
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Part of the New Green Deal is upgrading infrastructure
What kind of infrastructure specifically? What type of upgrades?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:10 am to fightin tigers
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Part of the New Green Deal is upgrading infrastructure,
Infrastructure geared for renewables alone. It's designed to remove all hydrocarbon sources permanently.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:11 am to The Spleen
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I'm looking at the date the storm hit on 2/15. Natural gas, coal, wind, and solar all dropped significantly. The biggest dip I see is natural gas.
You are still too dense to see that wind and solar tanked a week before the date you point out and that at that same time natural gas ramped up to basically double what it was on 2/8....and still today is at a level extremely higher than what it was on 2/8. No doubt the weather effected all energy sources, but it is foolish to say it didn't effect renewables more.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:11 am to BornCritic
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We should have natural gas running to every house in the country.
I've never lived somewhere without natural gas heat or stove.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:12 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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What kind of infrastructure specifically? What type of upgrades?
Things like mandating every new residential home in America be built with massive solar panels.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:12 am to tiggerthetooth
let him answer 
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:13 am to Sao
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Well, what's the natural gas infrastructure going to do now? Will it step up and fix their issues as well? Because let's face it. Every single piece of infrastructure shite the bed here. Nothing is working. Hell, not much is open period because the roads are a disaster.
Politicizing this event is retarded.
This.
People on this board as well as various politicians are looking a 5 different power generation sources that all failed spectacularly in a time of need, but politics apparently dictate which of the 5 are to blame and should be thrown in the trash heap.
The solar and wind system failed mightily during this event. And where were the legacy generation systems to pick up the slack? Turns out they were also shitting the bed.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:13 am to fightin tigers
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Part of the New Green Deal is upgrading infrastructure
Is it really necessary now that the market is going to force it anyways?
For what they are charging for energy now in Texas, there is likely adequate incentive for providers to add heating elements to at least some wind turbines and retrofit some gas well heads to keep more gas flowing.
Not to mention the potential for homeowners to back feed solar energy into the system and earn some solid credits.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:13 am to tiggerthetooth
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Well natural gas was at least able to increase output with demand to a point until it failed while renewables just failed period.
Because they weren't winterized. Blaming renewables for this catastrophe is not justified.. They were not set up to operate in this kind of weather. If Texas thought it needed the renewables to operate in these extremes to supplement NG then they should have taken steps to do that. They didn't.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:13 am to Sao
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What pipeline are you talking about then? There are millions of miles of it and the south is well lined.
None in particular but there's a lot of natural gas up north that gets flared off because we don't have the infrastructure in place to transport it where the energy is needed.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:14 am to tiggerthetooth
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Things like mandating every new residential home in America be built with massive solar panels.
Mandating that is stupid.
But imagine the credits you’d get from your utility by back feeding surplus energy into the system from your solar panels in some parts of Houston or Austin now.....
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:15 am to member12
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Tell that to AOC. Apparently green energy doesn’t fail in extreme weather?
Some of you guys are bogging down on this Green ND thing. It doesn't even exist currently. Who cares what AOC says or does. It's just a meme at this point, just like she is which is worthless.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:15 am to LeClerc
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Because they weren't winterized.
Explain to me the energy output difference between winterized and non-winterized. On their best day wind turbines produce about 25% of Texas energy. Would that increase if the wind turbines were winterized?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:17 am to tiggerthetooth
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None in particular but there's a lot of natural gas up north that gets flared off because we don't have the infrastructure in place to transport it where the energy is needed.
Soooooo, come again? You think the issue here is not enough NG and it's due to pipelines?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:18 am to member12
My living room at the farm house is cabin-ish style and I have a big Schrader wood burning stove that does a great job of limiting my need for power.
Relying solely on what the "grid" can accommodate is a fool's plan.
Relying solely on what the "grid" can accommodate is a fool's plan.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:19 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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What kind of infrastructure specifically? What type of upgrades?
Grid upgrades as well as energy storage projects.
It gets lost in the other bullshite like retrofitting every building in the US, but there are probably common goals that could be reached if it wasn't an all or nothing mentality.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:21 am to IAmNERD
Because nuclear hasn’t been completely solve, yet. Once nuclear fission is mastered in 10-15 years it will be a true clean, reliable energy source.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:21 am to LSU316
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You are still too dense to see that wind and solar tanked a week before the date you point out
No, I see that. I just fail to see why it matters when the discussion is centered on the storm that hit on 2/14 and 2/15.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:21 am to Sao
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Well, what's the natural gas infrastructure going to do now? Will it step up and fix their issues as well? Because let's face it. Every single piece of infrastructure shite the bed here. Nothing is working. Hell, not much is open period because the roads are a disaster.
Politicizing this event is retarded.
You’re right, but good luck getting that across.
This happened because power generators a) didn’t design for temperatures this low or b) didn’t maintain the safeguards they did have in-place. Both sides are turning this into a really stupid debate about renewables vs. non-renewables, which is a red herring.
The real debate that needs to take place is how to hold power generators accountable and prevent these types of issues moving forward. They already lose revenue and face fines when they can’t meet demand. Clearly the risk does not outweigh the cost of implementing and maintaining sufficient winterization systems.
As far as I can tell there are really three possible outcomes:
1. Higher prices (to pay for the added cost and further de-incentivize downtime).
2. Higher fines.
3. Status quo - it warms up and everyone forgets about it until next time.
My money is on #3.
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