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re: Chart of Texas electricity generation 2/4/21-2/17/21 by source
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:22 am to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:22 am to tiggerthetooth
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The problem is you can't make the wind blow harder when demand increases.
Yes and that is factored into the predicted demand equation. Even if all turbines would have stayed online, this fiasco still would've happened due to NG power going offline due to supply and instrument issues at the NG plants.
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Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:25 am to viv1d
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Because nuclear hasn’t been completely solve, yet.
What hasn't been solved?
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Once nuclear fission is mastered in 10-15 years it will be a true clean, reliable energy source.
I'm assuming you mean fusion, not fission then?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:25 am to rocket31
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whats holding back nuclear adoption?
regulations. Right now some of the plants had sensors freeze which triggered safety shut-downs. Texas has 3 nuke plants I think.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:26 am to Zappas Stache
Interested to see what Texas electricty bills will look like this month.
Are yall pre-negotiated or use the method that Entergy uses here where price adjust depending on sourced energy and all?
Are yall pre-negotiated or use the method that Entergy uses here where price adjust depending on sourced energy and all?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:27 am to viv1d
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Once nuclear fission is mastered in 10-15 years it will be a true clean, reliable energy source.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:30 am to lostinbr
My response as well. I'm assuming he meant fusion as opposed to fission. 
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:42 am to member12
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For what they are charging for energy now in Texas, there is likely adequate incentive for providers to add heating elements to at least some wind turbines and retrofit some gas well heads to keep more gas flowing.
The gas production side of this is much more complex than saying “electricity costs should pay for this.”
Domestic gas usage is seasonal, but producers don’t really ramp production up or down based on demand. They also don’t really reap the pricing benefits of an unexpected short term demand spike because they usually try to lock in pricing (via contracts) for some period of time. Additionally, a LOT of the gas production in Texas comes from a vast number of low-output wells. This makes it very costly to install and maintain methanol injection systems compared to, say, a deep water GOM platform producing 500 MMSCF/d of gas.
Midstream companies operate facilities such as salt dome storage to account for and capitalize on spikes in demand, but those inventories are typically already falling during the high demand season. And they are still limited by the pipeline/compression infrastructure between the storage cavern and the actual end-user - whether that’s a power plant or your residential gas grid.
You have different companies in some cases operating the wells, gathering pipelines & processing plants, transmission pipelines, storage facilities, and distribution grids. It’s a very complex network with a lot of potential failure points and trying to nail down a way to “fix” it is a bit like playing whack-a-mole.
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 11:43 am
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:49 am to cypher
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Agree, but gas plants were the main reason. Failures across Texas’ natural gas operations and supply chains due to extreme temperatures are the most significant cause of the power crisis that has left millions of Texans without heat and electricity during the winter storm sweeping the U.S.
I think the point is that even though gas might have had some difficulties it was still able to ramp up a good bit. Wind fell off the map. It’s not hard to imagine what would happen if the entire grid was renewables
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:49 am to tiggerthetooth
That chart doesn't jive with what others were posting last night about the windmills not being the problem.
Unless I'm just not reading that correctly.
Unless I'm just not reading that correctly.
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 11:57 am
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:50 am to noonan
The chart lacks info of what expectations of the wind power are vs what they are supplying.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:52 am to BornCritic
Goes to show you how backwards our country is. We are building BILLION dollar LNG export facilities on our coast so that we can ship LNG to other countries, yet our own country isn't fully utilizing the resource.
This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 8:27 am
Posted on 2/17/21 at 11:57 am to The Spleen
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I just fail to see why it matters
Then you are dense.
ETA
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:01 pm to rocket31
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whats holding back nuclear adoption?
The NRC (Nuclear Regulatory Committee) has created such an absolute shite show that it is no longer cost efficient to construct them. For example, When a weld fails NDT, they don't just fix it and Johny gets made fun of in the lunch tent by his crew for busting a weld. An ENTIRE Root Cause Analysis and Corrective Action has to be filed. What, how, and why FOR EVERYTHING. Yea. Imagine the time, money and paperwork associated with that.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:09 pm to rocket31
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whats holding back nuclear adoption?
Politics...plain and simple
Thank Russia and more recently Japan...which wasnt those poor bastards fault
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:12 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Texas has 3 nuke plants I think.
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stp and commanche peak
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:21 pm to rocket31
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whats holding back nuclear adoption?
My only problem with nuclear is the waste never goes away. They can put it in a barrel underground on salt caverns in a waste facility and thats it. You get X number of years for it to be looked over and guaranteed not to leak, etc.
Find me a way to solve that I'd be all for it.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:25 pm to southside
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Goes to show you how backwards are country is. We are building BILLION dollar LNG export facilities on our coast so that we can ship LNG to other countries, yet our own country isn't fully utilizing the resource.
We are building LNG export facilities because we have a glut of natural gas. Supply glut leads to low prices. Low prices lead to low margins. Low margins lead to less incentive to spend money preventing the types of supply side issues we see now.
If anything, LNG exports should improve that situation because higher prices lead to larger operating/maintenance budgets.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:33 pm to rocket31
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whats holding back nuclear adoption?
Costs of building new units
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:34 pm to Sao
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What pipeline are you referring to? Not the Keystone XL, right?
Something tells me that you are pretty clueless about the whole thing, because you keep bringing it up like it means something
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Keystone Pipeline phases
4.1 Phase 1 (complete)
4.2 Phase 2 (complete)
4.3 Phase 3a (complete)
4.4 Phase 3b (complete)
4.5 Phase 4
Now why is phase 4 not completed, oh I remember
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President Obama said in his speech announcing the rejection of the pipeline on November 6, 2015, that Keystone XL had taken on symbolic importance
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In April 2013, Calgary-based Canada West Foundation warned that Alberta is "running up against a [pipeline capacity] wall around 2016, when we will have barrels of oil we can't move
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In September 2015, Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton publicly expressed her opposition to the Keystone XL
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In early January 2016, TransCanada announced it would initiate an ISDS claim under NAFTA against the United States, seeking $15 billion in damages and calling the denial of a permit for Keystone XL "arbitrary and unjustified"
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On January 20, 2021, President Joe Biden revoked the permit for the pipeline on his first day in office
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:34 pm to JohnnyKilroy
When you whole system is based on power coming from X different sources and 2 of X drop off completely, it means you are in overdrive on the remaining sources.
Systems aren’t meant to breach the limits for extended periods of time for various reasons. And the limits of natural gas in Texas were apparently hit after going into overdrive for about 5-7 days to make up for solar and wind shitting the bed.
IOW, natural gas did what it could to stave off problems until it couldn’t anymore. But part of the problem is that the load shouldered by NG was over its intended amount because several other power sources quit completely several days ago.
Systems aren’t meant to breach the limits for extended periods of time for various reasons. And the limits of natural gas in Texas were apparently hit after going into overdrive for about 5-7 days to make up for solar and wind shitting the bed.
IOW, natural gas did what it could to stave off problems until it couldn’t anymore. But part of the problem is that the load shouldered by NG was over its intended amount because several other power sources quit completely several days ago.
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