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re: CBS News: For some electric vehicle owners, recharging now more costly than filling up
Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:24 pm to billjamin
Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:24 pm to billjamin
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Because nuclear supplies base load capacity and demands fluctuates more that 10% every day. You can't spin a reactor up and down to keep up with that. 50% is the number you're looking for. Although thats still hyper centralization and comes with its own pitfalls.
How is france close to 80% nuclear?
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:37 pm to Cosmo
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How is france close to 80% nuclear?
Because they have a much more evenly spread out population density than the US. ~80% of the size of Texas with 2X the population. Also, they've been diluting nuclear's market share because it was too high and creating concentration and centralization risk.
Diversity of generation type and location is the key. If you go all in on one, it creates a way to frick you. We need more nuclear, and we need more of everything else too, in more locations, big , small whatever. It's one of the reason's people are dumping money into EV and home ESS VPP programs.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:43 pm to SPEEDY
I'm just not ready for this electric car revolution. Seeing all those EV commercials last night really has me worried, because we might not have a choice soon. We'll all be forced to buy their $50k (minimum) electric cars, which cost more to charge than to fill up, and take hours instead of minutes. Worst part, they aren't even better for the environment.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 3:03 pm to Roberteaux
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Seeing all those EV commercials last night really has me worried, because we might not have a choice soon
Talk about a chicken little outlook on the world that's based in 0 facts
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We'll all be forced to buy their $50k (minimum) electric cars, which cost more to charge than to fill up, and take hours instead of minutes.
1. You can get a new sub 50K EV vehicle today
2. In the vast majority of cases it's significantly cheaper to charge than fill up
3. No one is forcing you to do a damn thing so quit whining
Posted on 2/13/23 at 3:22 pm to SPEEDY
quote:And by some, they mean the extreme minority.
CBS News: For some electric vehicle owners, recharging now more costly than filling up
Posted on 2/13/23 at 3:22 pm to Oilfieldbiology
quote:What if it is a lot cheaper? Because it is for the vast majority of EV owners.
What if it’s only marginally cheaper though? Does it still make financial sense?
Posted on 2/13/23 at 3:25 pm to Powerman
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This seems like something that is temporary and regional
It is but all the coal rolling baws in here think w/their feelings so they are going to hurr durr it up anyway.
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New Englanders are seeing uniquely high EV charging costs because the region currently has the highest electricity prices in the country. At about 28 cents per kilowatt-hour this fall, it's double the national average.
Ironically, it's the region's dependence on fossil fuels that's pushing these costs higher. About 45% of New England's electricity comes from methane gas, compared with about 38% nationwide, while the fuel has tripled in price since Russia invaded Ukraine a year ago. All the region's utilities are raising their electricity rates, although the specific costs can vary a lot even within a small area, WBUR reported this fall.
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One Massachusetts resident said their power company, National Grid, jacked up local electricity prices to 44 cents per kilowatt-hour — three times the national average.
"We are in pretty much the same boat in [New Hampshire] and it sucks," said another user. "Went from an average of $220 a month electric bill... to now close to $400 a month and thats with off peak charging, and its supposed to go up again significantly in February." The rate hike pushed the user to sign up for a solar array, with a monthly bill around half their current power bill, the person added.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 3:25 pm to ColdTurkey
quote:I bet you're one of those dudes who like to mock people for believing all of the media propaganda that is fed to them, right?
Wowwwww who would’ve imagined this would be a consequence of these Mickey Mouse bullshite electric cars?
Funny that you don't realize you're the naive one falling for the clickbait title right now.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 3:26 pm to SPEEDY
Wait until these frickers get a road tax bill in the mail.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 3:29 pm to TheHarahanian
quote:Well yea, because he's in the probably 95% or higher that charge from home, which that headline left out for some strange reason.
I’m not an EV proponent, but I heard the opposite story from an Uber driver a couple weeks ago. He’s spending less than $10 per recharge.
The vast majority of EV owners charge at home, and charging from home is much cheaper than owning an ICE vehicle.
But folks won't care, they'll see this headline and now think that EVs are more expensive to "tank up" than an ICE car.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 4:04 pm to winkchance
quote:Guaranteed horse owners bitched when their tax dollars were spent building roads for cars.
true, but it also was not subsidized by horse owners taxes and the government did not go out and build gas stations with horse owners tax money.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 4:16 pm to billjamin
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Because they have a much more evenly spread out population density than the US. ~80% of the size of Texas with 2X the population. Also, they've been diluting nuclear's market share because it was too high and creating concentration and centralization risk.
Plus their neighbors aren’t anywhere close to that percentage. Easy to be other people’s baseload as well and let them have more peakers.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 4:18 pm to Korkstand
All the bitching about electricity bills doubling and such over the last year, and none of these people’s brains were able to process that this would be a thing?
Posted on 2/13/23 at 4:27 pm to fareplay
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I bet the first car was also more expensive to run than a horse.
too bad we arent on the first electric vehicle.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 4:28 pm to SPEEDY
Posted on 2/13/23 at 4:32 pm to Korkstand
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Guaranteed horse owners bitched when their tax dollars were spent building roads for cars.
Didnt the building of the interstates and such not happen until the 1940s?
Plus the roads were also used for horses and carriages.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 4:34 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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What if it’s only marginally cheaper though? Does it still make financial sense?
This is a post currently on NextDoor
Posted on 2/13/23 at 4:39 pm to fareplay
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I bet the first car was also more expensive to run than a horse.
Good thing we banned horses
Posted on 2/13/23 at 4:40 pm to billjamin
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Thats because this is a very isolated story that exists on the extremes.
For now. The issue is that EVs are still so uncommon that it shouldn't exist anywhere, yet here we are.
What do you think will be the result when 10% of California's vehicles are EVs? It's not like their grid is known for being robust. Adding millions more permanent kWh per year use should be just fine, right?
Posted on 2/13/23 at 4:41 pm to dgnx6
quote:Well bro a century and billions of vehicles later and it's still more expensive to run a car than a horse.quote:too bad we arent on the first electric vehicle.
I bet the first car was also more expensive to run than a horse.
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