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Posted on 2/13/23 at 9:53 pm to fareplay
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I bet the first car was also more expensive to run than a horse.
You’re comparing something that is much more efficient and sustainable than a horse. Now you’re comparing something that is much more efficient and sustainable to an electric vehicle. The gas guzzler still wins.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 10:33 pm to Korkstand
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100% of people who say this have no idea what they're talking about.
Annnnnd we go back to where do you people think electricity comes from? Just last summer multiple states were begging people to run their a/c as little as possible in the peak of summer to avoid brown and blackouts from stress on the grids. It’s not a great idea to be invested solely in any power source. We need options and competition. That’s what makes shite affordable. The fact that the government is the main pusher behind EV’a should tell you everything you need to know. These pieces of shite aren’t interested in anything but getting rich. Same as you. Pushing this shite because you obviously make your living off of it which is fine. But mandate it? Nah, bruh. Y’all can eat a dick.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 10:44 pm to MightyYat
O&G baws' panties are drenched up in this thread. Good lord. 
Posted on 2/13/23 at 10:53 pm to SPEEDY
Have a Hybrid, gas hasn’t changed much
Posted on 2/13/23 at 11:33 pm to SPEEDY
OTers are poor and can't afford electricity needed to power very powerful, smooth, and easy to maintain cars.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 11:47 pm to MightyYat
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Annnnnd we go back to where do you people think electricity comes from?
Not a good mix of sources if you're asking me. If a region depends too heavily on few sources, whether it's solar, wind, coal, nuclear, natgas, whatever, eventually you will run into problems as OP's article illustrates. Diversity is a must for long term stability.
quote:For a good start toward more energy diversity, regions that struggle with power shortages during extreme heat should invest in more solar. Output tends to be high when the sun's out, you know? Cancel some of that out.
Just last summer multiple states were begging people to run their a/c as little as possible in the peak of summer to avoid brown and blackouts from stress on the grids.
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It’s not a great idea to be invested solely in any power source. We need options and competition. That’s what makes shite affordable.
That's exactly right, and that's the point I try to make in all of these threads. As long as we rely on fossil fuels for the vast majority of our transportation energy needs, we will be subject to the highs and lows of those markets. EVs can be charged from literally any energy source. Diversity, options, and competition are inherent. EVs are the path to long term stability and affordability.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 5:48 am to Korkstand
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The infrastructure is not there to support EVs.
100% of people who say this have no idea what they're talking about.
Then why do people have to wait in line at charging stations?
Posted on 2/14/23 at 6:10 am to BigPerm30
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Wait until these frickers get a road tax bill in the mail.
Exactly. They only compare gas to electricity bill.
Don’t include the batteries or gas taxes for roads etc.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 6:13 am to BigPerm30
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road tax bill in the mail.
they deserve this
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:48 am to SPEEDY
No matter how you derive the electricity, it takes more bio fuel to charge an electric car than it takes to power a combustion engine for the same output
Posted on 2/14/23 at 8:18 am to TigerGman
quote:He wasn't talking about charging stations, he was talking about power production and distribution on the whole.
Then why do people have to wait in line at charging stations?
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 8:27 am
Posted on 2/14/23 at 8:26 am to ccomeaux
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No matter how you derive the electricity, it takes more bio fuel to charge an electric car than it takes to power a combustion engine for the same output
That is exactly wrong. Small heat engines as found in vehicles are one of the least efficient ways to extract energy from fuel. Larger heat engines are more efficient than smaller ones, you can't defeat physics.
Even at the scale of only 100kw generator, a gallon of diesel burned in it to charge an EV will drive it further than the same gallon burned directly in a vehicle of similar size. And the efficiency only gets better as you scale up to power plant size, even after accounting for transmission losses and other inefficiencies.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 8:40 am to Powerman
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Correct
This seems like something that is temporary and regional
True, but also "actual". An intentional narrative to only accentuate the positive and eliminate the negative
Posted on 2/14/23 at 8:54 am to Korkstand
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100% of people who say this have no idea what they're talking about.
I know California has rolling brown outs every year and people were freezing to death in Texas a few years ago. You're right, I don't know shite.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:12 am to HeadSlash
quote:Was happening long before EVs were common.
I know California has rolling brown outs every year
quote:Also not due to EVs.
and people were freezing to death in Texas a few years ago.
You've pointed out a couple instances where infrastructure needs improvement regardless of whether EVs exist. I can do the same on a 2 minute drive around Louisiana.
quote:Regurgitating headlines is not knowing shite.
You're right, I don't know shite.
Tell me what parts are "not there" to support EVs. Aside from fast charging equipment which is rolling out pretty quickly, the infrastructure to support EVs is the same infrastructure we've been building, improving, and maintaining for a century.
Production capacity is only a problem regionally. At the national scale, we already have enough capacity. If you disagree, tell me why. And then tell me why we can't grow production ~1% per year for the next 30 years when we grew production at twice that rate in the 90s.
Many areas are using time of use billing to smooth out their peak consumption periods with success. This is a free market solution and should be more widespread regardless of EVs.
Upgrades at the point of charge in the home is on the homeowner as it should be.
Tell me what you think is "not there".
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:13 am to fightin tigers
quote:I mention that all the time in these threads but I don't know that folks ever grasp it to be honest.
I'd venture to guess, over a year period, the vast majority spend more time waiting to fill up at a gas station than electric car owners wait for their cars to charge.
We take a roughly 10 hour yearly ski trip with the family. It adds about 45-60 minutes at the very most to the trip when we take the EV vs the ICE car. We very very very easily would spend more than 45-60 minutes driving to the gas station, tanking up, then driving away from the gas station over an entire year.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:16 am to lsunatchamp
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That's a lie. Either you are lying or just don't have any clue what you are talking about.
quote:The guy claims someone doesn't know what he's talking about does not realize that when you plug in your does not equate to when you charge your car.
Peak times are in the winter after the sun goes down for any electric grid. People charge their EV's after they get off work at night, so it would be at the same time
My car is plugged in when it gets home around 5pm daily. My car begins charging at midnight. Sounds like you "just don't have any clue what you are talking about"
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:17 am to lsunatchamp
quote:And the poster said people mostly charge their EVs during off peak hours, so why do you think your 3p-9p number proves that wrong?
Peak times are always between 3pm and 9pm no matter the season.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:30 am to shel311
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The guy claims someone doesn't know what he's talking
Pretty sure we figured out his electrical knowledge when he thought a 18.6MWh storage pack was for residential.
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 9:31 am
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