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Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:52 pm to Powerman
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You're referencing seasons while we're talking about time
Peak times are always between 3pm and 9pm no matter the season. Nationwide the strain on the electrical grid is in these times during the winter. The world is a much bigger place than Texas, and I was referencing global resource production and technology as the problem with sustaining it in its current form
Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:54 pm to billjamin
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At what level?
Power grid levels
Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:55 pm to lsunatchamp
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Power grid levels
ETA I missunderstood which part you were replying to. But I clarified in my post below. Storage is available, they just can't build them fast enough right now.
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:56 pm to billjamin
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Why isn't solar viable?
Because we don't have the power storage capability at massive levels that would be needed to replace natural gas and coal power plants. Maybe in the future it can be if the battery technology improves, but right now we don't
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:02 pm to lsunatchamp
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Because we don't have the power storage capability at massive levels that would be needed to replace natural gas and coal power plants.
That does not equal solar not being viable. It means solar, like literally every other form of generation, is not ideal and would not work to supply most of our needs.
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Maybe in the future it can be if the battery technology improves, but right now we don't
The tech is there, it's just not available in significant volumes because it's still very much growing.
If you want it i can hook you up with 18.6MWH of storage right now.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:08 pm to fareplay
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I bet the first car was also more expensive to run than a horse.
I bet owning a horse was also more expensive than walking. What’s your point?
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:10 pm to billjamin
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Whats a suitable grid saturation for each type of generation then?
I'm aware that you would need about four hours of stored power to cover the daily high demand during that time frame. Right now, we have batteries in California that can provide one minute of that, and we don't have enough lithium in the world to ever get to that level. We need better technology for this to even be a pipe dream
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:14 pm to billjamin
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The tech is there, it's just not available in significant volumes because it's still very much growing. If you want it i can hook you up with 18.6MWH of storage right now.
You're talking about powering your house. I'm talking about powering cities
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:17 pm to SPEEDY
A 3rd grader can understand that this race to EVs will NOT work.....
It will destroy the economy, and quick!....it already is!
It will destroy the economy, and quick!....it already is!
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:17 pm to lsunatchamp
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You're talking about powering your house. I'm talking about powering cities
Who's house uses 18.6MWH?
I have 54kWh that runs two houses, a barn and a shop just fine.
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:19 pm to billjamin
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That does not equal solar not being viable. It means solar, like literally every other form of generation, is not ideal and would not work to supply most of our needs.
What it means is by switching over prematurely to "green" technology is that you will increasingly be reliant on fossil fuels for power. In most cases the net carbon gain from an EV doesn't even get to equal until you surpass 70,000 miles in the car. The mining and industrial techniques all run on fossil fuels to get there and assembling these cars takes a lot more of it
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:20 pm to lsunatchamp
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We need better technology for this to even be a pipe dream
Nope. All we need is a diverse (location and gen type) system and it all works just fine. Trying to go all in on one is a fools errand.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:21 pm to Powerman
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This seems like something that is temporary and regional
Totally temporary...until EV ownership increases to the point that it over-taxes the outdated grid that's already teetering.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:24 pm to billjamin
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Who's house uses 18.6MWH?
I'm sure they are out there. Cities run on terrawatts of power. Thousands of them per day for large cities. Storing that kind of power is not something we can currently do
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:26 pm to billjamin
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Nope. All we need is a diverse (location and gen type) system and it all works just fine. Trying to go all in on one is a fools errand.
Like Biden and California with the no gas powered vehicles sold after such and such date?
I'm fine with moving to green technologies if it helps with carbon emissions in the long run. Right now that is not the case until that technology improves
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:26 pm to lsunatchamp
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What it means is by switching over prematurely to "green" technology is that you will increasingly be reliant on fossil fuels for power.
agreed.
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In most cases the net carbon gain from an EV doesn't even get to equal until you surpass 70,000 miles in the car.
Most EV owners don't give a frick about that.
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The mining and industrial techniques all run on fossil fuels to get there and assembling these cars takes a lot more of it
Yep, sure does. Once again, most people don't care.I see you're pivoting to the environmental argument. What percentage of EV owners do you think give a frick?
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:28 pm to lsunatchamp
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I'm sure they are out there.
Dude come on. You're not being serious right?
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Storing that kind of power is not something we can currently do
Why do you only think in absolutes or all one thing and nothing else?
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Cities run on terrawatts of power. Thousands of them per day for large cities.
What city uses thousands of TWh a day? LA used 22TWh in a year.
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:29 pm to billjamin
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Yep, sure does. Once again, most people don't care.I see you're pivoting to the environmental argument. What percentage of EV owners do you think give a frick?
I don't know the exact answer, but I would imagine that most think they are leaving less of a carbon footprint by going EV. If they were told otherwise I'd think most would not switch
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:32 pm to lsunatchamp
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If they were told otherwise I'd think most would not switch
And thats where you're very wrong. Environmentalism is very low on the reasons. Most people get them because it has lower maintenance costs, drives itself, better tech, etc. Mostly because it just works for them. The green part of it is way blown out of proportion.
It's a lot like solar panels. Most people think its a giant virtue signal, wrong. By far the largest reason people go solar is to save money and insulate themselves from utility inflation.
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