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re: CBS News: For some electric vehicle owners, recharging now more costly than filling up
Posted on 2/13/23 at 4:46 pm to dgnx6
Posted on 2/13/23 at 4:46 pm to dgnx6
quote:I said roads, not interstates. Federal funds started being used for roads in 1916 I believe.
Didnt the building of the interstates and such not happen until the 1940s?
quote:You think you can build and maintain a road for cars as cheap as you can for horses and carriages? The cost difference is likely at least an order of magnitude.
Plus the roads were also used for horses and carriages.
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 4:47 pm to Dr RC
New England has long had above-average electricity prices, mostly due to supply constraints. And, don’t ask me to explain because it’s too complicated for me to fully understand, there are flaws in that region’s market design that can sometimes exacerbate the problem even more.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 4:50 pm to Bard
quote:The number of EVs is not the problem, it's the relative cost of electricity vs. gasoline in this region at this point in time. If there were only a single EV there the problem would be the same.
For now. The issue is that EVs are still so uncommon that it shouldn't exist anywhere, yet here we are.
quote:On the whole it will likely be just fine. A 100% EV fleet would require only about 25-30% more electricity generation than present. It will likely take decades to get there so increasing electricity production will not be a problem in most cases, especially given that the majority of EV charging happens during off-peak hours when there is excess generation capacity.
What do you think will be the result when 10% of California's vehicles are EVs? It's not like their grid is known for being robust. Adding millions more permanent kWh per year use should be just fine, right?
Posted on 2/13/23 at 4:53 pm to Powerman
May not be temporary. As EV’s become more common, gas ax collections will drop. Federal and state Governments will need to find a way to recoup those costs and pay for needed infrastructure to support this shift in transportation preferences. They will then begin to allow Electricity providers to increase rates to offset thos loss in tax base. In California, it amounts to 100’s of millions of dollars that will get passed on to consumers via electric usage taxes.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 4:54 pm to ninthward
From power plants that use fossil fuels 
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Came to edit that not all power comes from Fossil Fuel before some climate activists says that some electricity is generated using nuclear & what they call renewable energy
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Came to edit that not all power comes from Fossil Fuel before some climate activists says that some electricity is generated using nuclear & what they call renewable energy
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 2/13/23 at 4:58 pm to Bard
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For now. The issue is that EVs are still so uncommon that it shouldn't exist anywhere, yet here we are.
Are you implying that EVs are having a measurable impact on the electrical prices and thats what we're seeing in this story?
Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:00 pm to Miketheseventh
quote:Yes, this article highlights the volatility in fossil fuel markets and the heavy reliance on natural gas in the northeast.
From power plants that use fossil fuels
Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:02 pm to td1
quote:Well it's not an actual thing for the vast majority of EV owners, so now what?
All the bitching about electricity bills doubling and such over the last year, and none of these people’s brains were able to process that this would be a thing?
Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:03 pm to billjamin
quote:I've seen several comments ITT that suggest that's what a lot of these folks think. It is highly unlikely that EV charging is even 1% of their electricity consumption.
Are you implying that EVs are having a measurable impact on the electrical prices and thats what we're seeing in this story?
Really this story is a warning against relying so heavily on volatile markets for energy. Diversification is good.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:09 pm to Korkstand
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I've seen several comments ITT that suggest that's what a lot of these folks think.
astonishing quote:
It is highly unlikely that EV charging is even 1% of their electricity consumption.
1% is probably generous, with 90+% of that charging off peak.
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Really this story is a warning against relying so heavily on volatile markets for energy. Diversification is good.
Thats what common sense says. But we know how reasonable takes go over around here.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:09 pm to Korkstand
If an engine was invented that ran on water. The price of water would quadruple. And it would be blamed to cause global warming somehow.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:13 pm to Korkstand
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I said roads, not interstates. Federal funds started being used for roads in 1916 I believe.
The first Louisiana license plates were in 1915. I know this because a friend of mine has the largest collection of 1915 plates.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:15 pm to Cosmo
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The cost savings isnt worth the hassle of not being able to drive somewhere without stopping a couple times for 30 minutes to recharge
I'd venture to guess, over a year period, the vast majority spend more time waiting to fill up at a gas station than electric car owners wait for their cars to charge.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:21 pm to fareplay
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I bet the first car was also more expensive to run than a horse.
slightly OT but
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In a hypothetical tug-of-war between a horse and a vehicle with 1 horsepower, the outcome would depend on several factors such as the weight of the vehicle, the traction of its tires on the ground, the strength of its suspension and transmission components, and the torque it is capable of generating at its wheels.
In general, a horse has much greater pulling power than a vehicle with just 1 horsepower, due to the horsepower-to-weight ratio and its muscular anatomy that is well-adapted for pulling. However, if the vehicle has a heavy weight, large tires with good traction, and a robust suspension and transmission, it might be able to hold its own against the horse.
It's worth noting that this is a theoretical scenario, as tug-of-wars between live animals and motor vehicles are ethically and morally problematic, and should not be attempted.
ChatGPT
Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:22 pm to fightin tigers
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I'd venture to guess, over a year period, the vast majority spend more time waiting to fill up at a gas station than electric car owners wait for their cars to charge.
If you value your time on a road trip - the ICE wins
If you value you all your time - the EV wins
Up until someone comes along and creates some fringe scenario because they drive 475 miles a day for work.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:33 pm to SPEEDY
The problem with EV is the technology just isnt there to support moving to them in any large capacity. We just don't have the current mineral production to satisfy the demand, nor will we ever with our current technology. It's a whole conundrum of problems. Increasing the demand for power supply would mean burning more fossil fuels for power. We just don't have the technology in batteries to make solar and wind power sustainable options. Peak times are in the winter after the sun goes down....aka when there is no sun. Wind can be an option, but it doesn't blow all the time so you need batteries. BIG batteries, and increasing that production along with the demand for EV's is just not possible. You would need to quadruple most of the production for those minerals and that has never happened in all of human history. And no we do not have the technology or the current resource extraction capabilities to even come close to doing any of this
Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:35 pm to Korkstand
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especially given that the majority of EV charging happens during off-peak hours when there is excess generation capacity.
If we reach anywhere near 100% fleet EV there really will no longer be off-peak hours.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:39 pm to Korkstand
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especially given that the majority of EV charging happens during off-peak hours when there is excess generation capacity.
That's a lie. Either you are lying or just don't have any clue what you are talking about. Peak times are in the winter after the sun goes down for any electric grid. People charge their EV's after they get off work at night, so it would be at the same time. It's why solar power isn't a viable option. Not because we don't have enough places to put the panels, but because we don't have the technology for power storage at that kind of level
Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:41 pm to lsunatchamp
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Peak times are in the winter after the sun goes down for any electric grid
You're referencing seasons while we're talking about time
And that's also a regional thing. I live in South Texas. Believe me peak electrical demand is NOT in the winter.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:48 pm to lsunatchamp
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Either you are lying or just don't have any clue what you are talking about. Peak times are in the winter after the sun goes down for any electric grid. People charge their EV's after they get off work at night, so it would be at the same time
False. People plug in their cars when they get home, if they need a charge. Then the default settings are typically set to start charging after midnight. You can override that, the vast majority do not because it's dumb to do so.
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It's why solar power isn't a viable option.
Why isn't solar viable?
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we don't have the technology for power storage at that kind of level
At what level?
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 5:52 pm
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